Shortheads in captivity?

[infernalis]

That doesn't excuse anything.

We have all made errors in judgment, you have too, quite recently in fact.

[RedSidedSPR]

I know. I'm sorry. Welcome to the forum.

[drache]

welcome to the forum

[annulataarethebest]

Thanks for the welcomes guys, I never had intentions of pissing people off with feeding pictures, but I do apologize for those of you that I offended. At the time I was kind of fascinated at the fact a ringneck snake's saliva could kill another snake, the pictures should've just been for my own documentation and not posted online.

I'll see what I can do about getting some new brachystoma pics.

[ConcinusMan]

I reluctantly welcome you...

Oh c'mon. The snake was very common to the person locally and he needed snakes to feed his snakes. As was already said, this was also before they were protected.

I would not hesitate to feed a northwestern garter or two, to another snake under similar circumstances. In fact, when I brought my cali kings up from San Diego, they had only eaten lizards and other snakes and wouldn't eat anything else. I fed them northwestern garter snakes because that's all I could get for them to eat. You may not like it, but that's just tough. A lot of people don't like the fact that we feed rodents to our snakes but what do you tell those people that don't like it? You tell them, tough ship. Don't you? Your snake has to eat.

Now that that's all out of the way, I think that annulata has satisfactorily explained the situation.

I know. I'm sorry. Welcome to the forum.

That's better. I know it's easy for garter snake lovers to get upset about garters being used for food but that's nature. There's not a dang thing wrong with it IMO. Garters are, and always will be, an important food resource for all kinds of creatures. Getting upset about it is as illogical as getting upset about a Lion eating a zebra or a wild garter snake eating a cute little frog.

Now with the internet there really is no need for this. If you need snakes to feed to your other snakes or critters, then it's not hard at all to get corn snake or other culls from snake breeders so no, I wouldn't go out collecting garter snakes for food anymore. I did what I had to do at the time and I'm not one bit sorry about it.

[guidofatherof5]

I would not hesitate to feed a northwestern garter or two, to another snake under similar circumstances. In fact, when I brought my cali kings up from San Diego, they had only eaten lizards and other snakes and wouldn't eat anything else. I fed them northwestern garter snakes because that's all I could get for them to eat. You may not like it, but that's just tough. A lot of people don't like the fact that we feed rodents to our snakes but what do you tell those people that don't like it? You tell them, tough ship. Don't you? Your snake has to eat.

Now that that's all out of the way, I think that annulata has satisfactorily explained the situation.



That's better. I know it's easy for garter snake lovers to get upset about garters being used for food but that's nature. There's not a dang thing wrong with it IMO. Garters are, and always will be, an important food resource for all kinds of creatures. Getting upset about it is as illogical as getting upset about a Lion eating a zebra or a wild garter snake eating a cute little frog.

Now with the internet there really is no need for this. If you need snakes to feed to your other snakes or critters, then it's not hard at all to get corn snake or other culls from snake breeders so no, I wouldn't go out collecting garter snakes for food anymore. I did what I had to do at the time and I'm not one bit sorry about it.

I agree with some of what you said but I feel there's a big difference between nature and what goes on in the wild compared to the captive care that we provide.
There's nothing illogical about being concerned or upset when the animals we love are served up as a meal.

[ConcinusMan]

Then I might ask you to stop feeding your snakes earthworms. Or how about no more pinkies, because I love them and it upsets me to see them used as food.

This difference you speak of is only in your head. They're still wild animals that require certain food items. The fact that you call them pets makes no difference.

[RedSidedSPR]

I agree with Richard.. And Steve. You guys get pretty pissed when certain reptiles/amphibians are taken from the wild.

I understand. I was never really upset. I was still under the impression he was doing it for the heck of it. I had just read the whole thread, and it made him seem like a real a-hole. I know he isn't now.

I dont have a problem with people using stuff from the wild to feed your snakes. Espially if you need to. I've done it. And alot of people dint like it. But I really don't care. Sorry, man. I understand completely.

[ConcinusMan]

There's nothing illogical about being concerned or upset when the animals we love are served up as a meal.

Don't get me wrong. Feeling one way or another about it is never wrong. Anyone's feelings, for any reason, are not wrong. They just are. Everyone's feelings are valid for whatever reason. It's just that feelings are not always logical. It's a bit illogical for me to ask anyone to stop feeding their snakes the foods that they need. I am not saying your feelings about this are illogical. Just that the reasoning behind the feelings are illogical. It's OK with you to feed your snakes worms and pinkies but you don't get upset about that. When it comes to feeding garters to other animals, all the sudden it's not OK. That's illogical.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Don't get me wrong. Feeling one way or another about it is never wrong. Anyone's feelings, for any reason, are not wrong. They just are. Everyone's feelings are valid for whatever reason. It's just that feelings are not always logical. It's a bit illogical for me to ask anyone to stop feeding their snakes the foods that they need. I am not saying your feelings about this are illogical. Just that the reasoning behind the feelings are illogical. It's OK with you to feed your snakes worms and pinkies but you don't get upset about that. When it comes to feeding garters to other animals, all the sudden it's not OK. That's illogical.

Just as people on a rat forum would get really bent out of shape over feeding rats to snakes... Its all about the passion. It's not logical, but one can understand why it happens.