Quote Originally Posted by ThamnophisManiac View Post
i was in the woods by the creek (on a hot humid day) looking for some darn garters for an hour and a half. i flip over every rock i see and every log i see. i had even built a dam a while back (made of rocks...) and flipped all those over and found absolutely nothing. i am really p****d and have concluded that there are 0 garters where i live (mid ohio by akron)
I promise you my place is worse lol. There is probablly 50 acres of woods, with probably 40 of those acres being a protected wetlands, right by a 30 acre lake and I never see any ribbon snakes ( I'm pretty sure there are no garters here.) Sometimes I'll see a copperhead or a coral snake but obviously I steer clear of them.