Interesting locked up pair of easterns

[ConcinusMan]

Is there no other option for producing eastern snows than to use melanistic? Seems to me that is why eastern snows are so "dirty" - using melanistic that is. It's pretty apparent from the pattern on the eastern snows that the melanistic side is responsible for their dirty look.

I'm just curious how you are thinking that using a florida blue albino will make them any cleaner?

[Jeff B]

Actually that is a good question Richard. That is why I bred the male that I did, his maternal parent was the Mohr anerythristic and his paternal parent was one of her potientially het offspring (not yet completely proven), so that male may possess the needed ingredients in combination with the florida albino to produce and new snow type, plus the ery/flame will be in the mix as well. It is my belief that the Mohr anery genes are why he is such a red animal, because he lacks yellow. I have a sister to that male that is non flame and she has no yellow, she is by all visual definitions "anerythristic" looking. I purchased half of the litter from Jeff Mohr directly, but they were produced by Scott Felzer, but Jeff sold me his half of the breeding loan essentially. So we will see, I am hopeful this combo will produce a non melanistic eastern snow.

[ConcinusMan]

I see. This does sound like it has some exciting potential for creating new morphs. Doesn't seem to matter whether or not it goes exactly how you plan. Who knows what could pop up in the process.

You're kind of like Capt. Kirk when he ordered the starship enterprise to engage on a course for "out there, that way"

[Jeff B]

Yeah exactly, who cares if my hypothesis holds true, hopefully there will be a nice variety and they won't all be ugly anyway

[ConcinusMan]

Hey, I'm beginning to find that there is indeed a market for "ugly" garters.

[kibakiba]

Yes there is a market for ugly snakes. I'd hoard them and keep them all to myself if I had the money. I love me some ugly garters.

[Eddie]

I'm not really sure if the melanistic is capable of producing a cleaner snow or not. I don't have an anery eastern to try. The Florida albino is alot cleaner than the Schuett's are so I am hoping for the best. I was involved with the original Schuett x Melanistic cross and we were all amazed that snows came out of it in the first place.
Good luck to all this season and yes Jeff I will have alot of babies to trade if all goes well.
Ed

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Is there no other option for producing eastern snows than to use melanistic? Seems to me that is why eastern snows are so "dirty" - using melanistic that is. It's pretty apparent from the pattern on the eastern snows that the melanistic side is responsible for their dirty look.

I'm just curious how you are thinking that using a florida blue albino will make them any cleaner?

The snow easterns that are currently in the hobby look the way they do because they are Schuett albino....the Schuett albino does not totally lack melanin.. and melanistic does everything it can to increase it.... put those two together and BAM you have some very confused pigment cells. in fact some of the schuetts, like my female are so dark they look more like what you'd call a hypo. I don't like calling them snows myself... I call them dirty snows. I heard that in Europe they call them cappuccinos. That's a pretty perfect description. for a cleaner looking "snow" all one must do is breed a different type of albino into the melanistics. Or breed a melanin-lacking albino into an anerythristic morph. Either way, you are going to get what everyone refers to as "snows". I'd put money on that any day. Since the florida strain lacks melanin completely.. it's going to wash out all the dirtiness that the current snows have. No matter how dark black a snake would be normally, if they are a type of albino that completely negates production of any melanin... they will be a cleaner... more "classic" example of snow. The only real exception to this, is of course, the random paradox. In daytona this past year I got to see some paradox albino checkered garters that breed true... a few pop out in every clutch. I could have had the pair for $300! But they were kind of ugly... they looked like albino checkereds with scale rot... They are even named "Moldy Checkereds". Ranks right up there with bloody rash corn snakes.

[Jeff B]

Yeah right Eddie, it's hard to say if the dirty in the Schuett snow is due to the Schuett being T+ or the melanistic effects, or both. I think it's likely your combo will produce a cleaner snow though, but who knows, thats why we do the breedings and can't wait to see the results. Will your snakes in trade be really ugly? The market research is showing that ugly is a trait worth breeding for. At some point there will be too many genes to be worth listing so we will just put breeding pair: dame ugly x sire fugly, take a chance, lol.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I would like some babies from Ugly x Fugly.