The Confusion Continues (ID thread)

[Ameivaboy]

I would love if someone had pictures of a fitchi from northern oregon, that might shine some light on the subject

[chris87]

anyway thay r very nice snakes mate

[ssssnakeluvr]

Chad..the snake I posted is a valley garter....no red sided, t s parietalis, in Idaho or Utah!!! I stick by my id....I have caught numerous valley garters in Idaho...99% have the red cheek.....where do you live?:????

[adamanteus]

Chad, if you take a look at the comparative distribution ranges of the two sub-species I think you will see that Don is right. His snake is indeed a T. s. fitchi.
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[KITKAT]

Yes...

Looks just like my male pickeringii...

What is the scale count?

now look at the blueish tinti of the animal and side stripes,

similiar to pickeringii yes???







so i know all 3 ranges meet so could it be a mix of all 3?? is it just one??
what are your thoughts???

[Tori]

I am reasonably sure that that is a california redsided garter ( Thamnophis sirtalis infernalis ). The Marin County variety is the kind that I have. My female is from Scott Felzer and the male was someone's pet until he got tired of it. This is the male.



Tori

[chris87]

i also think it looks like a red sided

[Ameivaboy]

tori most of my field time is spent in marin county and i have never seen an infernalis that looks like that, and regardless there is no way that it is a red sided just by locality alone

[Ameivaboy]

it Kat that picture is a pickeringii, it was a comparison picture

[Stefan-A]

Looks like a fairly typical infernalis to me?