moving day!!!!

[guidofatherof5]

I don't think it has anything to do with trusting you.
Members are just making suggestions from their experiences to help you with your snakes.

[ConcinusMan]

It's not really about you Haz. Don't take it personally. It's about a bad decision that will effect the health and well being of the snakes. It's not really about who is making the bad decision, but bad it is. Not about trust either.

Think about what brought you here in the first place. Basically, it's a place to come and get good information and advice from experienced keepers so you can have happy, healthy snakes. So why would you not heed that advice? (rhetorical question)

[HazAnga]

but to be honest... i didn't ask for the advise on the setup i created... I'm not trying to be a **** or anything but I have thought up this idea for like the last month, done some googleing and everything. you say that the plants need the moisture and everything when truth is they don't really, the need some moisture and the layered system i've created helps with keeping the top portion of the substrate dryer and the bottom ever so slightly wet, enough to feed the plants what they need.
It is doable, how do you think snakes fare in the wild... the plants arn't potted there... and there's dirt, multch, grass, leaves etc... so what's the difference...???
it's just a confined and controlled version of what you would see outside, i will be adding repti-bark or something for the top to add a bit more texture to it.

[kibakiba]

Honestly, I say let Nick do what he wants, I think he's done enough research to know the risks of it and I'm sure he understands what you're saying to him, but in the end it is his decision and he's already set up the enclosure. If it were me in his position, I wouldn't want to take it all down after working hard to get it a certain way. And it is true that there's dirt in the wild, there's tons of buggies and icky stuff that can harm them, but some of them from the wild are pretty healthy. It is really controlled and I don't see a problem with how it's set up, especially if the humidity isn't high. 36% doesn't seem like that much and what would it matter if he misted it every once in a while to keep the plants from drying out? It'd be like misting the tank when your snakes are in shed. Honestly, I'm not saying this to be rude in any way and I wouldn't wish it upon him, but if something bad does happen, he would learn from that. Sometimes people just need to learn it from experience rather than learning from people telling them.

[ConcinusMan]

He's going to do what he wants anyway.

" It is doable, how do you think snakes fare in the wild... the plants arn't potted there... and there's dirt, multch, grass, leaves etc... so what's the difference...???"

There's plenty of difference and I'm done explaining it to you. Come back and whine about it when your snakes get ill, and perhaps I'll explain it again so you'll know why they are ill. I already told you. 3 times this year, I had teens that wouldn't listen, like you're doing now. Every one of them had their snakes either die, or become critically ill. Now I can only wait for it to happen a fourth time.

Now, what is wrong with doing something like this, which will not make your snakes ill? huh? looks just as nice, if not better:



You say you read the caresheets and understand them but you ignore the warnings about what NOT to do. Make no sense.

[kibakiba]

This whole thing is getting annoying, just drop it and let him do what he wants. I'm sure if he notices anything even slightly wrong, he'd try to correct it. You're being really judgmental towards a newer snake owner, who is obviously going to make some mistakes, you've made plenty of mistakes, too. I don't see a problem with his setup if he puts some reptibark on it and has a good way of getting the plants watered without soaking the snakes and raising the humidity a lot. I personally wouldn't use that type of enclosure because I'd probably end up having to searching for poop a lot and having to pull out the bark pieces, much like I do with the carefresh, but it seems like it'd be a bit harder with the bark.
your tone in your posts seems rude and uncaring, lighten up a bit. You're also acting like you're so high and mighty. If you know he's going to do it regardless of what you say, why would you keep posting about how he shouldn't? It seems pointless.

[Stefan-A]

Everybody just calm down.

All opinions have been registered and if anyone here has something to say about the other party, do it in private.

[HazAnga]

The way the substrate is supposed to breakdown the fecal matter. Look up 'Bioactive Substrate System'.
I'm done with this thread, Stefan feel free to lock this thread to stop any further disagreements.