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[ConcinusMan]

It's good you notice these details. It's really up to the keeper to get to know each snake. That way they can know when something isn't right with them.

[Spankenstyne]

Here's a couple with the 2003 revisions in the Petersons field guide. You can see here they have fixed the concinnus range:

[ConcinusMan]

Here's a couple with the 2003 revisions in the Petersons field guide. You can see here they have fixed the concinnus range:

I think the concinnus range is dead on. That is the true range. Keep in mind they are a bit limited in the habitats they can inhabit within that range and so are confined to those habitats, namely waterways(ponds, creeks, rivers, lakes) and wetlands and rarely stray more than 1/2 mile from those watery habitats.

Also, for the most part, from what I've observed personally, the valley garter's range doesn't actually go right up against concinnus' range.(there are very few exceptions) For example, in southern Washington along the columbia river (separates OR & WA) Valley garters only occur east of the Cascade range so that separates the two subspecies ranges. The only exception that I know personally would be within the columbia river gorge, which cuts through the mountains. There, if you travel east through the gorge, fitchii range begins before you get to the mountains, and it overlaps concinnus range only slightly. And in Oregon, in spite of the valley garters name, it doesn't occur in the willamette valley that I've ever seen. That area is concinnus territory. Again, fitchii is mainly confined to the east side, which is a somewhat desert climate and so the range of fitchii doesn't actually touch concinnus range in the willamette valley. You have to go east and cross mountains (leave concinnus territory) and once you enter the rain shadow of the east side of the mountains, you start finding fitchii.

The map doesn't show the separation of concinnus and fitchii ranges but it does exist. Pretty darn good maps though, I would say.

[New Mutant]

I've seen some beautiful high red parietalis's come out of Kansas.

I saw one squished by the side of the road today while I was on a walk. It was barely recognizeable, but I saw some red scales on its side.

[guidofatherof5]

I saw one squished by the side of the road today while I was on a walk. It was barely recognizeable, but I saw some red scales on its side.

That's not the one I was talking about

[ConcinusMan]

D'OH!

Is this light-hearted humor from Steve, in the wake of tragic news?

There's hope for you yet!