I think we're pretty much all in agreement. Only time & more breeding will tell what we're looking at, but as in my first reply on this thread I do think it's possible the extra light ones could be an "extreme" or "super" form of this pastel/hypo/uberwhatchamacallit which is why they look so different. I've held back some of the pastel looking ones including a male from last year and a female from this year so if all goes well within the next couple years I should also be able to help narrow down what we have here & see if we can replicate what Shannon has.