PICTURES- Hypo Checkereds!

[ConcinusMan]

I think most of us have questioned the label of hypo all along, we're just going along with what has been put forward.
"Hypo" is usually referring to hypomelanistic unless stated otherwise.

Hypomelanism can manifest itself in different ways than we'd expect. Look at Honduran Milksnakes, some of the hypos look pretty much normal with the black as dark as ever and all the bands and pattern there, it's the reds that seem brighter because of the lessened black affecting the red portions and the normal tipping. Here's an example of a hypo Honduran Milk


Then you have the Extreme end in them where the black is actually greyed out like here:

Both pictures are hypomelanistic

So in theory it could be possible to manifest itself in a similar way with these guys and still have pretty much the same blacks in the pattern but the black tones within the olive portions being reduced making them look brighter & cleaner green.
I still don't believe that's likely the case, but just putting it out there to the point that we can't absolutely say no these aren't hypomelanistic just because they still have black patterns.

I do think that we're looking at something more along the lines of pastel as Shannon suggested. My confusion in the above post is in regards to which snakes Jeff means, is it the crazy light ones Shannon posted or is it the light green ones some of us have?
I do think the ones in the first post should be referenced as being different

Very informative. Good discussion. Thanks Chris.

And just to add something, this is what I call my "hypoerythristic" T.s. concinnus. In this picture, he is with snakes that have good red pigments, including a normal concinnus in the background, and that makes it very apparent how reduced his red really is. More of a yellow really.


I call him "hypoerythristic" and what I would call "anerythristic" would look more like this since there is no red, yellow, or orange in the spots:



That one also happens to have the blue tint but not all anery concinnus have that. Also, some I would consider "anery" whether blue tinted or not, do have some bit of color to their spots but so highly reduced that it is all but absent.

(your "anery" snake, chris


So I guess we call agree that "hypo" can apply to any snake that has reduced pigments, regardless of which pigments are reduced.

[Spankenstyne]

You sir, are correct!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Marcy Just had her babies! Sadly... it's not what I was expecting. I've got 1 hypo... 1 hybino (meaning she is het albino and she's not supposed to be!) 1 severely deformed hypo and a bunch of jelly..... At least I have two more healthy babies! I suppose these low fertility rates could be due to it being the male's first season. I have never had deformed babies before!

[Spankenstyne]

Sorry to hear that

[BUSHSNAKE]

Shannon are we sticking with hypo or are we gonna upgrade to "pastal"

[Spankenstyne]

and are we talking about the super light ones she posted here as pastel or the other light ones some of us have as pastel? haha

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

To Clarify- Okay fine I will start calling them Pastel's. but here is my disclaimer THESE ARE NOT NEW OR DIFFERENT THAN WHAT EVERYONE ELSE CALLS HYPO'S they are the same morph. Haha.

And the ones that I am talking about are the babies that I have just produced. I also have a really light one kind of like the ones you have (not related to my other snakes)

I am at work on my break so i cant really elaborate much further

[ConcinusMan]

Another hybino and another hypo, ummm... pastel *ehem* congrats!

[Snakers]

Marcy Just had her babies! Sadly... it's not what I was expecting. I've got 1 hypo... 1 hybino (meaning she is het albino and she's not supposed to be!) 1 severely deformed hypo and a bunch of jelly..... At least I have two more healthy babies! I suppose these low fertility rates could be due to it being the male's first season. I have never had deformed babies before!

New it.. Every checkered is het for albino

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

They are both girls. But the pastel from marcy's litter looks very different from my other clutch. In fact she is an exact clone of her father, a bit darker than the others. I am beginning to wonder if my female albino isn't actually pastel also. I mean my whole reason for owning her in the first place is because she has more orange and yellow concentration than any other albino I have ever seen... and the spots on her that would normally be black are much more crisply outlined.... My reason for wondering if she is actually pastel also is because all of the other pictures of pastel babies I have seen look like the female that was born today. I haven't seen any others like my brighter ones, but I have heard from a guy who breeds these things (he is actually the guy I got my male from) that he believes there is a super form, he emailed me and told me that the supers have extremely light heads and an even brighter coloration. I will have to talk to him about this and see what he thinks. The real problem is that a camera does not capture one vital thing.... the GLOW of a snake... any snake! So I can't even make accurate comparisons with pictures. The albino pastel female that was born today also is not nearly as contrasted/vibrant as the male.