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[Hollis_Steed]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.

Sure looks alot like my T.s.fitchii

[GARTERKID]

Thanks for the info it is really hard to tell the diffrence and like i said im new to garters can you show me a pic of a oregon red spotted.SHe is an awesome snake very nice and calm when handled eats aggresivly on anything.

[guidofatherof5]

She is a great looking girl.

[ConcinusMan]

I agree. Awesome snake.

Thanks for the info it is really hard to tell the diffrence and like i said im new to garters can you show me a pic of a oregon red spotted.SHe is an awesome snake very nice and calm when handled eats aggresivly on anything.

Here's a few Oregon red-spotted garter pics that I would say are very "typical"

Normal next to a anerythristic:
(photo by shannon culp - asnakelovinbabe)



A typical large (3.2 foot) female of mine:



An uncommon 3 striped morph next to a anerythristic (two of my snakes)

[ConcinusMan]

The head coloring varies. Some heads are dark, some have very bright orange heads, depending on the area of their origin.





And of course, there's the rare but lovely blue anerythristic girl I have:



By far, the orange single stripe, with black head, or orange head is the most common.

[GARTERKID]

Coll i do see a difference.
Thanks for the help.
john

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, some people just assume, hey, it's a garter snake, it has red on it's sides, I found it in Oregon, must be an Oregon Red Spot...

Thing is, Oregon red spots do not occur east of the cascade mountains. They are found mostly in NW Oregon from Salem northward (Willamette Valley) to Portland, in wet habitats, never far from water. Valley garters (Thamnophis sirtalis fitchii) can be found on the east side, and much farther south than red spots and have a much larger range in oregon than concinnus do.

[Jlkelly88]

I love the pictures. Welcome. =)