Hypoanerythristic and high black concinnus

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Ooops.

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[ConcinusMan]

Put the post out there without first consulting with my brain. I thought better of it and got rid of the content. I just didn't know how or if I can delete it entirely.

[ConcinusMan]

Just to revive this thread (since I just love talking about concinnus, duh.) I wanted to recap a little bit. This would be a normal for my area:


In this picture, you see Shannon's anery female on the left. My male on the right has a slight hint of orange compared to the anery. Now compare all three, and it's like 3 different degrees. One normal orange. One very faded washed out orange, (Hypoerythristic) and one anerythristic (no orange or red at all).


Now if I could get my hands on one like that black baby Don has, I'd have the whole spectrum! I sure hope he can repeat that very black concinnus again. I want one.

[Tyrel26]

I can't help but think that the eyes on that little guy look a little sunken; but maybe its just the angle. Regardless its a very nice snake and i hope its doing well.

[ssssnakeluvr]

does look that way...but, he's fine...just a trick of the coloration and shade.....

[Tyrel26]

thats good beautiful little snake. Would be very interesting to see what its gonna look like as an adult

[ConcinusMan]

I can't help but think that the eyes on that little guy look a little sunken; but maybe its just the angle. Regardless its a very nice snake and i hope its doing well.

Looks normal to me. What I don't like to see in neonates is their jaw line being offset from the neck in a way that makes their head look too big for their body. You know what I'm talking about. The "square jaw" affect. A starved adult will get that. I don't like seeing it right when they're born. Those one's usually don't make it.

[ConcinusMan]

Here's one of my gorgeous 3 stripe females. She just finished shedding. This girl is 34 inches. 3 stripe concinnus are very uncommon outside of T.s.fitchii or T.s.pickeringii intergrade zones. This girl is not an intergrade. She's just a fairly uncommon pure T.s. concinnus morph.


It's interesting to note that unlike the single striped snakes, these never have red spots below the lateral. Single stripers commonly have red spots below the lateral line, extending to the edge of the belly scales as in this little male (reserved for Don) But make no mistake, these are both pure concinnus found well outside intergrade zones and only a few meters from one another.

The last time I bred two single stripe concinnus from that same population, I ended up with perhaps one in five neonates that had 3 stripes. Most, but not all of those, retained their stripes into adulthood.

It's easy to see how a captive breeder might confuse fitchii and concinnus and whether intentionally or not, allow them to crossbreed. Some pugets also look very much like this 3 stripe concinnus. Only a trained, experienced eye might tell the difference.

T.s. fitchii (Valley Garter)