"Anery" Concinnus Arrived!

[ConcinusMan]

That female "weird concinnus" was in my winning entry for the March photo contest. Good picture but I couldn't get the true color to come through like Shannon did. BTW, Somebody forgot to put her on the portal page, SHANNON.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Haha I can't do that! I have no idea how to even go about that!!!!

[Spankenstyne]

Wow, loving all the blue going on there. Beautiful animals and great shots. Shannon you take fantastic pictures.

Something to keep in mind when it comes to great pictures, it has much more to do with the skill of the photographer than the equipment. Think of how much more advanced the worst cameras are compared to what an Ansel Adams was using for example. People can manage to take horrible pictures with even the best equipment out now as well..
I also fall into the trap of thinking I need better cameras until someone kindly pointed out how many great photogs' pictures have been taken historically without the technology we have today & I realize I just need to get better lol.

[snakeman]

These pics definitely make a difference.I am liking these now!

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah. Then there's people like me that used to take great pics until he gave up the film and went digital. It's been a nightmare ever since. Skill, ptttt! Horse pucky. I got a crappy camera, plain and simple. Doesn't matter what I do. Took me about 20 shots to get that one good one in the march photo contest and it still isn't right. The true color of the snake just doesn't happen. I've used my aunt's $500 nikon digital and got great shots, perfect. I just can't do it with the camera I have, I've tried everything. I certainly can't force it to capture the right color.

So what do you think guys? do they look axanthic? I mean, does it look like the mutation affects xanthophores while leaving green and blue to show? If you think about it, red and yellow are all that is missing. At least it appears that way to me.

I also think it must be a dominant gene because there are so many of those snakes (confined to a limited area or just that population as far as I know) There are also a few normals among them. Although they are quite light in the red/orange department, I still would call them normal. I'd say about 1 in 5 looked normal in that location. Go just outside the confined suitable habitat where these snakes were found, and all you will see is normals.

[Jeff B]

I would say its definately safe to call it a morph, just based on its dramatic variance to the "normal wild type", however the genetic inheritance pattern and predictability will still need to be characterized as already stated.
So, Axanthins are typically known to produce yellows, and Erythrins produce reds, however there can be some overlap as to exactly which chromophores and in what ratios ect. that cause the "look" of the color we see. Without knowing precisely the chemical answers to those details, you can make a general educated guess, or characterization based on what you see changing from the normal wild type, and some of that "call" should be based on what is the base color of the normal wild type.
Now if these were "yellow" spotted garters that were now a blue/green and black morph then Axanthic would argueably be the most appropriet nomenclature.
Since they are "red spotted" garters though, perhaps it makes more sence to call them Anerythristic.
However, to add to the confusion, the color of the spots is more typically an orange rather than stark red, a combination of red and yellow with variations of the amounts leaning towards more red or more yellow even in the normal wild type.
It would be nice if a name would be established though,so we all know what snake you are refering to, regardless of; if and what genetic inheritance patterns prove out.

[ConcinusMan]

That's pretty much what I was thinking is that the normal orange coloring is actually two different colors but I've been looking around the web and even if it is yellow and red as opposed to just red missing, they would still be considered anerythristic. So, I went from calling them anery from the start, to calling them hypoerythristic since there was some color going on there, now were back to what I called them in the first place. Anerythristic. But...

Here's a pic of an anerythristic concinnus and it sure doesn't look like these guys. In comparison it looks like these are missing yellow as well as red/orange. This anery on the right has plenty of yellow:

(but then again, normal snakes from around my parts usually have more blue/green than most)

[gregmonsta]

Fantastic

[Jeff B]

My oppinion is definately leaning towards anery making the most discriptive sense, when I look at that snake I think "anery". By the way with Shannon's awesome camera skills that snake is definately bad *** good looking. Would love to have one of them and an albino right now, I would be thinking about doing a little dance to make a "rocky mountain snowstorm"

[Spankenstyne]

I can't stop looking at these pictures.
I gotta say I lean towards anery as well, or at least some variation of.