Hypoanerythristic and high black concinnus

[ConcinusMan]

Humiliation as a form of punishment? We have enough kids going "columbine" these days don't you think they already get enough humiliation?

[mustang]

Humiliation as a form of punishment? We have enough kids going "columbine" these days don't you think they already get enough humiliation?

well more keep doing that type of ridiculis dangerous stunts so NO, more public hangings might decrease crime rate! ENFORCE DEATH PENALTY !

[Stefan-A]

Humiliation as a form of punishment? We have enough kids going "columbine" these days don't you think they already get enough humiliation?

I couldn't agree more.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh now we're off topic and THEN he speaks up ^^^

That black and white anery concinnus look is really growing on me, I like it. Of course everybody likes the bright crisp deep red ones.

I prefer the high orange ones like the benton co. area snakes. Shannons high black is pretty sharp too.

[Jeff B]

Ooops. Why didn't somebody say something. I totally screwed up. The title of the thread should read "hypoerythristic" Oops. Now I feel stupid. Like a kid in school who's been wearing a "kick me, I'm an idiot" sign all day. Can a mod fix that without contributors losing the thread in their subscriptions?
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I saw the misnomer/mispelling but I knew what you meant, so didn't feel the need for correction/humiliation or whatever, lol, no big deal.
In some ways it's just easier to just call it anery, but since it sounds like the red is not 100% gone, even though by that one photo I could not tell any red what so ever remained, it looks completely black and white, but I agree hypoerythristic is may be technically more discriptive if its not 100% gone.

[cowsymbola]

I prefer the orange over the deep red myself. And, of course, Shannon's high blacks.

[ConcinusMan]

Her "Rainbow man" is pretty darn cool too but I'm not convinced he is 100% concinnus. Looks like some T.s.fitchi influence in there. But that happens sometimes in the wild too. Rare, but it happens.

Let's take inventory of all the WC and CB concinnus we have so far to illustrate their differences:

My hypoanerythristic (but typical for the population/ limited area where it was found in NW Oregon)




Benton County Oregon wild (typical for that area):


Shannons CB high black:



Shannons extremely colorful CB "rainbow man" purchased at a show:


A wild snake with certain key traits shared with the rainbow man. Can't quite find a population like that but...

Those traits I mentioned before that might be a case of fitchii genes contributing seems to be true. Whether it be intentional or unintentional CB hybrids, natural hybrids... I mean, the only place in the wild where snakes quite like hers or this one only occur randomly and infrequently but also ONLY in the fitchii/concinnnus intergrade zones. Other questionables are possible fitchii/pickeringi and those only occur randomly within known established intergrade zones. Hmmm...

Possible concinnus X fitchii wild in the intergrade zone:


Possible pickeringi X fitchii wild in that intergrade zone: (I tend to think this one is just a plain fitchii IMHO)


What do those two have in common? They both are in fitchi zones shared by other sirtalis (concinnus and pickeringi resp) Now you see why I question some of the so-called concinnus in CB collections? They sure do share fitchii traits. Even if they are 75% concinnus the snakes won't quite be like normal concinnus.

All very interesting snakes. I have a goal for this year: obtain examples of distinctly different concinnus. Still gorgeous snakes though.

I'll say it one more time. I have doubts that rainbow man is 100% concinnus.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Sadly, rainbow man stopped thriving, quickly went downhill and perished

You, me and everyone else could have speculated endlessly as to what he was but we will never know! And actually, that is the beauty of a snake like that one.

The high blacks are captive born babies from WC stock of unknown origin. I cherry picked them out of a tank full of baby concinnus at daytona 2008. Had I known what I was onto, I would have grabbed more. The male was even more reduced but unfortunately, he never thrived. My current high black project consists of two females like the picture in this thread and then a male that was actually the first concinnus I ever purchased. He is not quite like them but he is definitely a black-dominated snake and very different from my red trio.

I can't wait to see my hypo-erys on friday Once they are here that will make 1.2 high blacks, 1.2 reds, and 1.1 hypoerythristic. Oh joy!

[ConcinusMan]

Very sorry to hear about the rainbow man. didn't mean to dishonor his life. I honestly think he was a hybrid. he was gorgeous anyway.

rest assured your high black concinnus are gorgeous too and I have no such suspicions about them. They are definitely pure concinnus.

Even if you do not achieve all-black with the orange heads, keep the line going. They are very nice as-is.

I'm sure your new arrivals will thrive. They are already good-sized young adults and feeding well. After today however, it's 70 degrees max and NO FOOD until they ship. Still can't guarantee they won't crap in their package!

[ConcinusMan]

I finally got a good shot of the female "weird" concinnus I have and is going to shannon. This time I was able to somewhat capture the weird "dayglow green" that radiates from these very different snakes. She's on the left. A pretty much normal but very light orange male to her right with some ordinoides. Isn't she a beauty? personality to match.