erythristic?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

OK, I just found the answer to the last question I asked. Both the flame gene and erythristc are co-dominant.

If that's the case, WTF are flame easterns so expensive? Breed one flame to another and you get flames. What's so hard about that?

Because even when you breed flame to flame, not all of the babies are screamers and there are different qualities in each type of flame. When you breed a flame to a normal your chances of producing a screamer are reduced and as you keep breeding flames to more normals you weaken the reds and oranges and over time they can become watered down. If you want top notch flames every breeding, the best way to go would be to pair up two really awesome flames, and even then your results vary greatly. And yes, a red plains actually is an erythristic plains. They are also born normal and grow into their red coloration! That's the thing with these red genes, even with flames, they are not one bit predictable. You just don't know what you are going to get with them! That is one thing that causes really nice erythristics to fetch high price tags. And technically, a flame garter snake is erythristic. Hyper-erythristic simply means increased red pigmentation. Flame is a totally different gene and gives off a totally different expression than other erythristic, mainly that they are born visibly red, but they are still erythristic nonetheless.

The pale concinnus you have been finding, if they still have hints of color could be considered Hypo-erythristic, because they have reduced amounts red, but are not 100% lacking it.

[Snakers]

How much does scott price his erythristics and flames at?

[ConcinusMan]

Because even when you breed flame to flame, not all of the babies are screamers and there are different qualities in each type of flame. When you breed a flame to a normal your chances of producing a screamer are reduced and as you keep breeding flames to more normals you weaken the reds and oranges and over time they can become watered down. If you want top notch flames every breeding, the best way to go would be to pair up two really awesome flames, and even then your results vary greatly. And yes, a red plains actually is an erythristic plains. They are also born normal and grow into their red coloration! That's the thing with these red genes, even with flames, they are not one bit predictable. You just don't know what you are going to get with them! That is one thing that causes really nice erythristics to fetch high price tags. And technically, a flame garter snake is erythristic. Hyper-erythristic simply means increased red pigmentation. Flame is a totally different gene and gives off a totally different expression than other erythristic, mainly that they are born visibly red, but they are still erythristic nonetheless.

The pale concinnus you have been finding, if they still have hints of color could be considered Hypo-erythristic, because they have reduced amounts red, but are not 100% lacking it.

Sorry guys, I know we were talking about erythristic snakes but I must diverge for a moment since Anerythristic is part of this subject.

Some of the concinnus are completely lacking orange/red. Of the three I have now, the male which is most lacking is yours. But I still wouldn't call the spots white and I wouldn't call these snakes black and white. Seems like there's some kind of color there. Hard to explain. I should be calling them Hypo-erythristic then? I dunno about that and I refer back to the definition of

Anerythristic:
A mutation showing reduced or no red color. (reduced being the key word)

erythristic: a condition marked by exceptional prevalence of red pigmentation. (exceptional being the key word)

Just when I thought I had it straight, Shannon comes along and shatters my reality.

I love it when that happens.

As you can see from my avatar, some color is there in the cheeks but that's as intense as it gets for most of the snakes I saw or have. That one is a female and is promised to Don. Basically they give the overall impression of a snake that has had it's colors diluted, with the exception of black coloration. That seems normal. The degree of dilution varies among all the snakes in this population, but all I saw were diluted.

I must get more photos to better sample the overall population but I'm quite excited still, to find such an unusual population of concinnus even if they aren't truly anerythristic. I would be equally excited to find erythristic concinnus. My local concinnus are just somewhere in between with most having very rich blue/green throats and very black on the tops of their heads.

[drache]

How much does scott price his erythristics and flames at?

http://albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm
http://albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm

[Stefan-A]

Anerythristic:
A mutation showing reduced or no red color. (reduced being the key word)

An-, a-: lacking.
Hypo-: reduced.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

An-, a-: lacking.
Hypo-: reduced.

yes, that was where I was getting. The prefix an- before a word means completely lacking. That definition is incorrect. But having a hypoerythristic concinnus is not any less cool than having an anerythristic!!!

[ConcinusMan]

OK thanks for setting me straight on that. I guess the snake you have coming shannon, is now redifined as hypoerythristic. But he's VERY hypo. Something else stuck out to me on one of Scotts ads."Anerythristic plains"

Ummm.... I thought they all lacked red except for the red ones, obviously so what does he mean?

[MasSalvaje]

Erythrin pigments are the ones being referred to here which include oranges and yellows also not only red. Therefore a specimen that is Anerythristic is lacking all erythrin not just the reds.

There are also yellows found in other pigments that are unrelated to the erythrin that is why you often see some Anerythristic animals exhibiting yellows, primarily on their neck and most notably in Corn Snakes.



-Thomas

[ConcinusMan]

I think I saw that picture before. Color wise it looks a lot like an ordinoides I found once or twice (actually 3 times in my life) but I thought they were melanistic. That's not a melanistic? So I'll assume it's just a anerythristic dark phase radix? It's clear that I have so much more to learn about garters. I thought I knew just about everything 'till I found this amazing community of garter breeders!

[BUSHSNAKE]

since when did Erythrin pigments have to do with yellow?