Good evening Folks.....

[WBR]

James,
(And I suspect you are going to hate the answer !!!) - but the T. ordinoides, (as well as the T. s. pickeringi), came from "Bob" !!!!
I am sitting here (with a can of Foster's in hand), so if you PM me your number I will give you a voice call - also please note I am up in the Cheshire area just about every weekend, and it might be good to meet face to face.
Cheers,
Brian.

[adamanteus]

To be honest, I only know "Bob" through his reputation on here. I've never had any dealings with him myself, or even know who he is! So, you had the snakes shipped over here?

[Snaky]

T. ordinoides is not that hard to find in Europe, there are quite some breeders in Germany/Holland. An add where pairs are offered can be found at the egsa.de small adds section: EGSA.de - European Garter Snake Association. I bet a lot of juveniles will be born this year also.

[Thamnophis]

Welcome here, Brian!