it's extremely rare to find garters at pet stores here in Utah....most of the pet stores view them as "beginner snakes" and no money in it. At the wasatch reptile expo, the only garters there were the ones I was showing....I actually sold a couple babies. the only consistent place here to find garters is Scott Felzer.....on a side note...go to kingsnake.com and to the garter snake forum...he posted a bunch of photos.