CA fitchi:


WA fitchi: (sometimes they even lack red or have very little)


I think I've made my point about it being useless to point out differences between the two since they vary widely even within the subspecies. Still, I think that anyone who has seen enough of both subspecies would be able to tell the difference.

I still say you're getting way confused because you're looking at photos on the web that aren't the correct I.D.

Here's just one example (and there are thousands to be found). Clearly says CA Red Sided/infernalis but the location is Eugene Oregon. This is not a CA red sided. They don't occur in Eugene Oregon or anywhere in the Willamette Valley. It's really a concinnus. http://www.parfaitimage.com/Reptilia...nfernalis.html