Even today looking at her tank just leaves an empty sad feeling, knowing it could have been my fault that she went downhill so fast, encouraging the climbing and such on the logs i put in. Hind sight is 20/20 though and i just wanted her to be as happy in her tank as i could make her, short of being in the wild.

I do plan to stay on the forum, and we do plan to get another garter, when i dont know as not many keep them as pets around here and with it turning colder im sure most of the local snakes are headed for hibernation. I will keep my eye out for a friend though. I did have one who enjoyed hiding under the pallets in my grain shed, of course that may have been Sally.

Thank you all again for all your help and encouraging words, and i hope someday i can be as helpful to someone else.