there's only one thing that bothers me. If you find a snake that is supposedly a hybrid and/or intergrade in the wild, that's all fine and dandy that you can come to that conclusion. But I see so many people looking at a WC hybrid and labeling it This x That... but the truth is you can't put a label on a snake like that for sure! Unless you are there to witness the lineage of that snake in the making, you absolutely cannot determine it to be a hybrid of two particular species or subspecies. Sure, you can speculate, given the location the snake is found, and the species that regularly inhabit the area, as well as the actual phenotype of the snake, but you still don't ever really know! And labeling that snake anything but "thamnophis hybrid/intergrade" is assuming things and not necessarily at all correct! Sorry... just a little something that has been bothering me for quite some time