Catching Tadpoles?

[d_virginiana]

If you know of an "acquisiton" that means you know who the buyer is. Funny how the buyer is not taking any of the blame here, it takes two to tango.

Joke's probably on the buyer anyways since small tads caught in large numbers like that have a tendency to live about 12 hours even with experienced frog breeders/raisers..
Though if he/she were on the forum I'd gladly link them to several scientific papers telling them why that was a bad idea

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

okay...I don't usually agree with taking feeders from the environment unless it's absolutely necessary and babies' lives are on the line... either way, there is no reason to completely roast someone over a measly 100 tadpoles. Would it be a bad idea for this to be repeated? yes. Do I completely agree with it? no. But come on, it's getting a little ridiculous now... anyone who wants to criticize and has ever even picked up ONE tadpole, worm or fish or salamander from the outdoors to feed a snake can just stop now, because it's hypocritical no matter if you just took one or two, or one hundred. A single pair of toads lays hundreds, even thousands of eggs, all of which hatch and 99.9% of which are destined to be eaten, even by each other! Hell, half the fish that might feed on those tadpoles are probably invasive species anyways. If 100 tadpoles are needed by someone to get their babies eating then so be it. Sometimes, the only thing babies will even eat is tadpoles. Sometimes chopping them up works, sometimes it doesn't. Anyone who's had finickly blacknecks KNOWS this. Heck Wayne at one point you yourself had a tank full of tadpoles that you used to dip your young non-feeding blacknecks into once you got them going, I remember you posting about it and seeing pictures of multiple other young snakes with tadpoles in their mouths. You yourself KNOW the benefits of live tadpoles and how they can turn babies around. Let's not all be so quick to judge one another here, we are better than that. Or at least, I thought.

[RdubSnider]

Very well said Shannon

[PINJOHN]

I am not one to stifle free speech but its possible that enough has been said on this thread, i think Shannons last post just about said it all, particularly the bit that says we are better than this.

[Sonya610]

I just hope there are no double-standards at play here; specifically it is okay to criticize RedSider endlessly for considering the offer made by another, but if the buyer (likely also known to some) is brought into it things have gone too far and the subject should be dropped.

[d_virginiana]

I just hope there are no double-standards at play here; specifically it is okay to criticize RedSider endlessly for considering the offer made by another, but if the buyer (likely also known to some) is brought into it things have gone too far and the subject should be dropped.

Agreed.. My intention was never to criticize RedSider as an individual, and the last post I made was just saying that I would have said the exact same things to the buyer who sounds like they are probably more of a 'pro' at snake-breeding as I did on this thread to someone who sounds like more of a hobbyist (if that makes any sense??)
And just for the record, I have *absolutely* no problem with someone using wc feeders for their own personal snakes, only the commercial shipping and use of large numbers of wc animals, which really can cause problems (certain scientific supply companies that do this are a large part of the reason bullfrogs are invasive in a lot of states).

[RedSidedSPR]

Only 12 tadpoles left that pond in my possession.
The mentioned 100 did not happen.
I did not make that trade like I was saying.

[Stefan-A]

A single pair of toads lays hundreds, even thousands of eggs, all of which hatch and 99.9% of which are destined to be eaten, even by each other!

And every last one of them is needed to make that next single pair.

Or, if 100 predators take 1998 out of 2000 toads before they have a chance to reproduce, how many toads do 100 predators take out of 1900?

[BUSHSNAKE]

hey i just collected 500 tadploes...anyone have a problem with that?

[ConcinusMan]

Depends on the circumstances.