People against wild caught Garters

[jamromhem]

I was unaware of the legality thing with releasing them, but I guess that means over time should a population take a hit the most of it will end up being a captive population by us to preserve a species.

Who knows, maybe by us having our Cptives we are saving the ecosystem when the rest of the human race screws something up and they need 1000 radix to save an ecosystem. and they have to go beg greg :P LOL

[ssssnakeluvr]

the legality part differs state by state...best to check with your state. Utah is pretty picky here.

[guidofatherof5]

Who knows, maybe by us having our Cptives we are saving the ecosystem when the rest of the human race screws something up and they need 1000 radix to save an ecosystem. and they have to go beg greg :P LOL

Did I hear someone needed a 1000 radixes. Only 1000?

[jere000]

Did I hear someone needed a 1000 radixes. Only 1000?

you should post pics of your dekayi

[charles parenteau]

Steve Its a nice rambling.

Gonna release my extra babies in my friend back yard .where my female is from..An artificial hibernaculum was built 2 years ago,there is enough space for futur generation.The local population is in decline I think the hibernaculum was destroy few years ago.
Soon house will be built on other side of the small creek.My friend made an artificial pool or pond for frogs to assure their survival because theire is no more place for tadpole .the creek usually overflood an makes temporary pond which is vital for tadpole.GArter snake will have their meat safe.

THis is a restricted area few back yard in a row along the creek very small
and the local garter snake population is not connected with other population so We will release all extra babies right on hibernaculum in september.So what ever happen Its not harmful for other garter snake.Because of my friend action there is snakes at present.
THis is the best place to release babies.
THis is like a big vivarium.

I have photos of his hibernaculum construction step by step same for the artificial pond but I will ask permission before posting pictures.

[drache]

it would be great to see the photos, especially for those of us who hope in the future to build outdoor terraria - probably the enclosures section would be a good place to put them
I can't see anyone taking issue with you posting them, since they're most definitely garter related

[bsol]

If I may...
All to often in these topics we sometimes forget about the Natural Selection process. If we remove an animal from its habitat whether it be WC caught along a creek or by deforestation, it goes without saying that the environment will then be without that specimen. For the same reason a toad with lay 100s of eggs only for a small % of them to make it to adulthood. So because we inhabitate this planent we are apart of that selection process. While plucking a garter from a field isnt quite the same as demolishing a hundred acre's of land, in terms of impacting the foodchain/selection process it is.
If it is pre-determined somewhere that a predator is to make a meal out of an adult garter at some point in that animals life, us removing that garter will shift that animals predetation to something else at that time. We're not talking about Doc Brown and the Delorean type stuff, I'm just shrinking the system down into an understandable message. ANYWAY, my wc garter removal its not going to destroy the eco system, but the animal that was to consume the garter may eat a field mouse, or rattlesnake, or whatever.
With all that nonsense I just typed, I'm basically saying by you, me, or the kingsnake removing the garter from its habitat THAT is apart of the selection process. Some people will argue the fact that a building isnt natural(and by no means is it natural in comparrison to an oaktree), it is infact natural to our planet(in 2009) as are we. Laws are written for a ton of reasons. Some in genuine protection of something(including us), and some just for political reasons. In either case, its a law. In Quebec, the rules for garters seem different than here, BUT it still apart of the natural selection process.
So in conclusion, people who are against wc garters have the same opinion level as people who are for catching them. The numbers may not balance out, but the push-pull method will.

uuuhhh... I'm wondering is this made sense to anyone else but me.

Hope I didnt piss anyone off or make anyone think I'm nuts, but hey if you do think I'm nuts, I guess natural selection says I dont need anymore friends!
hehe!!

[drache]

basically, what you're saying, as I understand it, is that out there in nature it's a crap shoot either way, and humans can be regarded as just another predator

[bsol]

yeah no matter which way the door swings. Whether your catching a garter(or whatever) and keeping it or clearing some forest destroying its home, that animal is displaced. Its not a bad thing, its just the selective process...
Giving a garter a chance at life by releasing it in another location free of human interaction just means that a toad/frog/worm may be in danger of becoming that snakes meal.
We fall short of thinking through things when we have the best intention of 1 animal in mind. You might be doing right by that garter, but screwing the toad in the mean time! The environment you realse the garter in is now either 1 up by way of predator in the food chain, or 1 down.
It is what it is. If no animal(including us) fell victim to premature death, then imagine how life would work.
If we take, and this might be a bad example and spark a crazy debate, war for example; people obviously die during war time. Whether it be just or not. Its just natural selection. Its sad, but again it is what it is! Got to look at it as a whole!

[jamromhem]

I wouldn't mind a few radix LOL I would have to convince the wife of it though :P.. Think I might want to get through a few seasons with my checkered first to make sure I am not getting over whelmed by inexperience.

I am trying to figure out the brumation thing now to get ready for when it is time.

I have a minifridge I don't use for anything but storing her food.. Might turn it on the highest temp setting and use it making sure I open the door daily to cycle the air.. I dunno. I'll read more and try to get ideas.