Concinnus?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

What is the deal with this. They look like concinnus to me.
California Red-Sided Garter Snake CBB

[Didymus20X6]

He shouldn't be feeding them rosy reds. That should tell you something.

[ssssnakeluvr]

definitely concinnus.... infernalis have distinct stripes on the sides

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, sure they closely resemble them.

Good lookin' little guys though.

[snakeman]

I have fed hundreds of babies rosy reds.just cause you read it on this forum doesn't make it accurate.i would like to see one documented case where rosey reds caused death.

[d_virginiana]

I have fed hundreds of babies rosy reds.just cause you read it on this forum doesn't make it accurate.i would like to see one documented case where rosey reds caused death.

Here is a scientific study done at Cornell on the toxic effects of feeding thiaminase. The section on ruminants (livestock) deals with plants, but if you read to the bottom, there is a section dealing with a neurological disease found in mink and fox caused by high consumption of fish and shellfish. These effects are compounded in garters due to their smaller size. I don't believe everything I see on the internet either, but the dangers of thiaminase have been documented by both scientists and many experienced owners and breeders of garters.
Here's a link to the study:

Cornell University Department of Animal Science

Regardless, it's probably a safe bet that a guy who doesn't even know what sort of snake he's selling doesn't really know what he's doing.

[ConcinusMan]

I have fed hundreds of babies rosy reds.just cause you read it on this forum doesn't make it accurate.i would like to see one documented case where rosey reds caused death.

As far as that goes, I have fed goldfish to garters for years and never had any issues.

[RedSidedSPR]

OK.

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/urge...p-rolling.html

[snakeman]

Oh, cause there is a thread about it that makes it a fact

[RedSidedSPR]

No. I'm with ya. I'm paranoid about them, and they can carry parasites, and they do have thiamnaise, but i don't know just how bad they really are... maybe as a staple.