eastern's

[PINJOHN]

I have once again just read [about the twelfth time] the article about eastern's sirtalis sirtalis in the may 2010 issue of reptiles which was so very kindly sent to me by Rhea
I know that Le Ann is an eastern enthusiast and wondered if any other members were keen on these snakes, i always knew that the eastern was variable, but was surprised to discover just how variable they actually are, this article has made me determined to own some more of these lovely garters.
eastern's do come in to Britain wild caught on occasion but in the standard brownish colour i will be watching the reptile dealers closely this year to hopefully add some to my other garter friends.
any experiences or information on eastern's you may wish to pass on would be appreciated ps i do have some Florida's

[ConcinusMan]

Well of course, a lot of members have them and there are a lot of morphs as well as lots of normal variation. The one that freaks me out is the snows. They are a combination of melanistic and amelanistic. Seems contradictory.

[zooplan]

They are a combination of melanistic and amelanistic.

We use to call those "cappuccino" here, they develope a colour of coffee with lots of milk.
Snow is defined as a combination of amelanistic and anerythristic.

[PINJOHN]

are there any photos of the snows you mentioned any where on the net ?

[zooplan]

are there any photos of the snows you mentioned any where on the net ?

Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters

[mustang]

We use to call those "cappuccino" here, they develope a colour of coffee with lots of milk.
Snow is defined as a combination of amelanistic and anerythristic.

or a young teenagers coffee (1/2 creamer and 1/2 coffee) of course i by my own force aquired the taste of double shot of espressos as sweet not strong

[ConcinusMan]

But anyway, I wouldn't call amelanistic X melanistic a snow either but that's what they're calling them. Also, Scott isn't exactly the authoritive expert even though people seem to think he is. He often calls snakes something they are not. Time and time again I've been seeing people call melanistic snakes "anery" just because they look like anery radixes do. They seem to think that in order to be melanistic, the snake has to be black and patternless and that's just not true. Melanistic northwesters are often dark charcoal gray and sometimes have a faint dorsal stripe. And quite frankly, I fail to see how an "anery" radix can be anery when it wasn't ever normally red in the first place.

A lot of mislabeling going on and misuse of the terms.

[guidofatherof5]

Wow. Richard you have no tact.
I didn't mean it as a compliment.

[ConcinusMan]

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I call it a DIRTY SNOW!