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[GARTERKID]

Hi everyone.My name is john im new here and i just recently within the past 8 months sterted collectimg garters.They are fasinating byfar my faviorite snakes hers some of my collection.
female fl blue
female melanistic
2010 litter of melanistic
female oregon redspotted
unknown proven female i got this girl from a friend an dshe was gravid she dropped 18 just like her and 2 mels.
I look forward to being a member on tyhis site i will post more pics.
thanks
john perkins

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for posting the photos.
You've got a good looking group.

[Hollis_Steed]

Welcome John! Great looking snakes! You must be doin' somethng right!

[drache]

welcome to the forum
nice group of snakes

[Jeff B]

Welcome John, that a nice litter of melanistic you have! Have you emailed me before your name sounds very familiar?

[kibakiba]

Those are some beautiful garters! Welcome to the forum!

[Spankenstyne]

Welcome to the forum. Nice collection

[ConcinusMan]

Welcome. Please stick around.

Wow, what a way to start on the forum you show-off. Way cool garters.

I must say one thing though, don't take it wrong, but I don't see any of those snakes being a Oregon red-spotted. If you're referring to the snake in the second pic, I wouldn't say that's a concinnus, at least, not a pure one. Looks rather muddy. Oregon Red-spotted garters are just that. They have red (or orange) spots on a dark background unless they are anerythristic, then it's whitish or pale blue spots. That one has red sides with dark spots. That never happens with true oregon red spotted garters.That snake looks closer to a T. elegans or a T.s. fitchii (valley garter) than an oregon red-spot. "Just sayin"

Still, I have to say, awesome garters you have there.

[GARTERKID]

thankyou to all.
Yes jeff i have emailed you before.
I was told it was a O red spot when i purchased her of of fauna but i was also told it was a male and that was wrong so im not surprised but like i said im new to garters so thanks for clearing that up for me.
I have many many 2010 babies im still trying to identify i will post pics soon i hope someone can help me.
I so glad i found this forum garters are my fav and im loving this site.
john

[ConcinusMan]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.