puget sounds *pics*

[mikm]

Guess I was fortunate in not having any health issues with these thus far. I feed them rosies ... I have thrown in a f/t pink with the feeder fish a few times and they have taken them w/o realizing what it was but rosies are their primary diet. My girls are both a stunning blue while the male is a lime green. I got them late last summer and all appear robust and feed very well. I had ordered/asked for babies or very young animals and received a yearling plus female and an adult pair. I too wondered about the *cbb* claim with these. I was assured they were *cbb* however I suspect LTC ... or perhaps Short_TC ??? lol

[GarterGuy]

You didn't happen to get them from a guy named Bob did you? If so, you might want to do some scale counts on them. He was selling T.s.pickeringii "blue phase", but what they really were, were blue phase T.ordinoides. Very nice looking snakes either way and glad to hear they're doing well.
---Roy

[abcat1993]

I'd rather have a puget sound than a blue phase. How much are they anyways?

[mikm]

thanks ... yes, I think everyone got these from *bob* either directly or indirectly, lol ) Please tell me more about the scale count for both sub-species ... I have never done this before. I do really like these regardless but I would like to know which they are. I have kept quite a few garter sub-species over the years and these are very close to the Similis in regards to their blue.

much thanks for sharing !!
marian

[Snaky]

We miss an emoticon, I wanted to use it now... The *drool* icon, let me give an example:

[Gijs & Sabine]

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I absolutely agree with Snaky...... they are real beauties

[GarterGuy]

thanks ... yes, I think everyone got these from *bob* either directly or indirectly, lol ) Please tell me more about the scale count for both sub-species ... I have never done this before. I do really like these regardless but I would like to know which they are. I have kept quite a few garter sub-species over the years and these are very close to the Similis in regards to their blue.

much thanks for sharing !!
marian

OK, from what we all determined with the last Puget vs Ordiniodes........T.ordiniodes have 7-8 upper labials, 8 lower labials, internasals that are equal to or shorter then the prefrontals and have 17 scale rows
T.s.pickeringii has 7-8 upper labials, 10 lower labials, and 19 scale rows
Check out this site....has all the stats...really cool! (Key to California Gartersnakes).

So far the snakes that we've been getting from "Bob" have been the T.ordiniodes and not the T.s.pickeringii

[mikm]

thank you for the info GG !! the link to the site you provided is VERY cool indeed ...

m'

[garterking]

You didn't happen to get them from a guy named Bob did you? If so, you might want to do some scale counts on them. He was selling T.s.pickeringii "blue phase", but what they really were, were blue phase T.ordinoides. Very nice looking snakes either way and glad to hear they're doing well.
---Roy

Happy to hear they are doing so well. I too contacted Bob about getting a couple but after I read the horror stories here, decided against getting them. Maybe they were just a troubled clutch to begin with, and no matter how good their care was wouldn't have mattered.

This has again peaked my interest in buying a couple. Are there more positive stories out there?? They really are beautiful snakes.

[KITKAT]

One of my adults is eating and looks healthy. The other adult is not eating, but I can find nothing wrong.