what about BOB

[sschind]

I really hate to bring this up again, and I truly don't want this to become another drawn out thread about our old friend Bob, but I just saw this ad on KS and thought it was pretty funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My guess is that by "everyone" he doesn't mean "everyone everyone"

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[Lulu Bennett]

basking spot of 95degrees?

[zooplan]

95° is near to cocking in °C
but 95°F isn´t much better
with a basking place like that you must have a big enclosure and at least one corner thats about 70°F to enable thermoregulation.

[garterking]

I really hate to bring this up again, and I truly don't want this to become another drawn out thread about our old friend Bob, but I just saw this ad on KS and thought it was pretty funny, or at least it would be funny if it wasn't so sad. My guess is that by "everyone" he doesn't mean "everyone everyone"

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It's not like "bob" had a great reputation or anything to begin with, but these subtle reminders might help the newbies out. I started a thread a while ago about "bob" and his scam like tactics, and it still appears like he hasn't changed. Thankfully there are others here who also have some puget sounds available that are way more reliable and honest than this guy will ever be. Thanks again.

[mikm]

It's been ,my experience that 'ill' garters gravitate towards the heat. If he keeps his animals in a warmer then normal environment he may be keeping the 'bug' at bay. Perhaps that explains why so many folks had problems with their animals when they got them. Once you got them and kept them at normal temps their immune system no longer had the extra heat necessary to keep the 'bug' under control. Just a thought ...

Of the trio I had that were ill and I treated, I lost one female. The remaining 1.1 are both very active, eat great, look great. I may breed that pair as this particular female has superior color. The 0.2 that had babies earlier this year have very good color (IMO). They have never shown any sign of illness whatsoever. They are the nicest, most friendly animals ever. I have grown attached to these two because of their personalities so while I doubt that I will breed them in the future I do not see myself parting with them. That says alot about these Pugets in general as in all of the years I have kept garters very few have I grown emotionally attached to ...

Best,

[CrazyHedgehog]

I have had one of these but via another seller at Hamm, and in all fairness, I have not had to treat it and it is very healthy.
After the thread last year, I kept it quarentined, and kept a close eye, but it has had no problems at all. Maybe I am just one of the lucky ones!

[zooplan]

Don´t forget that shipment may be a big stress to the snakes.
So diseases will expand first caused by this.

[mikm]

Good point ... the stress from shipping would certainly add to anything underlying. I suspect that most if not all of the Pugets originated from the same source. I have not seen anyone, anywhere claim otherwise. No one actually volunteers that info but if you asked I suspect that to be true. What is of concern is that it would seem the den(s) of these wonderful animals are being pillaged to have such a large supply of these creatures readily availaable from one source.

Best,

[flakgunner]

hey,
who's Bob?


Joe

[Snaky]

He is someone that sells those nice puget blues. Some of the members here bought from him, but at the huge amount that he sells, it's almost certain that he plunders the dens around him. And he tells they are captive bred, which makes that a lot of people had some deaths...

An example thread:
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/urge...isit-more.html
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gene...-all-dead.html

If you search some more, you'll find other threads like it...