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    possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    Hey guys this isn't my photo I found it on another forum, but I find it very interesting. I've always wondered if hybridization happens because their population over laps in my area what are your guy's thoughts on this? Here's the image link. https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3944/...1f3902b5_b.jpg

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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    wow
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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    That's an interesting snake for sure.

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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    Very cool looking head. I wonder if its a hybrid or a morph?

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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    I would say 100% vagrans/morph!
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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    If you look at it's pattern, color ,and head structure it all screams vagrans to me! I think the reason they thought it could be a hybrid was because it was found in an area of both vagrans and fitchi and has a little red coloration on it's head, but that's obviously a mutation. A hybrid wouldn't explain the pied looking nose and a hybrid would probably have more fitchi characteristics. Even the eyes look red! I would love to work with an animal like that it would be neat to see what pops up in future breedings! Just my opinion though!
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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    I agree with Bluesirtalis

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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    wow gorgeous!
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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    Thats beautiful! I agree that it looks like a morph and not hybrid.
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    Re: possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

    The original rational for it possibly being a hybrid had to do with the number and placement of head scales, including labial scales. Although the pattern is interesting for sure, there is more than the OP eluded to. As they mentioned it isn't their photo.

    *I am not implying any of you are wrong by suggesting it is 100% vagrans, only that their is more to the story than appearance.*

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