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    "Preparing For First shed" Dracorex5's Avatar
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    Did i do the right thing?

    So after growing overwhelmed with them, i decided that a springtime release for six baby garters would be best for them. I didn't know what area could be safe, so i went to the nearby nature center that i volunteer at so they could decide the best place. I did not an exact location from which the mother was from, so i said "I believe north carolina." The wildlife cordinator i did not know grew frustrated, wanting to know who i got them from. I did not give her the original owners name, as i honestly didnt give it. I knew garters were illegal here, but i had been ok-ed by nature officials and i was now doing the legal action of turning them over to a professional center. She informed me that if i couldnt give her more info she couldnt release them into the wild..... This center doesnt have the facilities to care for a mass number of reptiles, and they will likely be culled....

    Did i do the right thing, even if these babies are going to die? I cant do much now.... And i fear that she may take dramatic measures. I told her i got the mother from a reptile gathering in a nearby town about an hour away as a rescue.... The same place where Repticon is! If she calls repticon thinking thats where i got her, could i get banned from the con? Im scared and im sad... Those scrubs dont deserve to be culled because of my mistake and i dont want to lose priviledges after being misled by previous nature officials.... Am i thinking too much? Should i not be guilty at all?
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    "Preparing For First shed" Dracorex5's Avatar
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    *honestly didnt know it is what i meant for the original owner name. It was the sibling of a friend whom i hadnt known for long
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Did the official say they might be culled?
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Next time you need to get rid of snakes, either sell/give them to someone you know will take care of them or just release them yourself in the area you believe the mother to be from. I mean, all a wildlife official would do is put them somewhere away from people; there's not a lot of science to it, especially with a species as common as a garter snake. Though the best option is not to breed snakes if you can't care for or sell the babies.
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Speaking only from a nature conservation standpoint, if you don't know exactly where they stem from or if they're of mixed localities, they can't be released anywhere. Even if the locality was known, they shouldn't be released anywhere other than in that location. Releasing them in another location can have serious detrimental effects on the local population.

    If this is the situation, they should either remain in captivity for the rest of their lives, or be culled.

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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Why didn't you give them away on the forum?

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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Agreed

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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    And i did not breed them, the mother was already gravid an i didnt know. Ive been trying to care for them for months hoping to find them homes out of state.... But after losing 9/15 of then to strange circumstances that made me geel incredibly inadequate as an owner and no one really seeming to be interested in taking them i turned to the nature center
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    I put up a post on the board, and have been saying i need to get rid of them for a long while. There just didnt seem to be any interest. I thought that because i was certain they were from out of state the nature center would let them go somewhere safe.... But it really doesnt seem so.... I trusted them. I was told that what o was doing was legal in my area, and then suddenly it wasnt. I went in so certain theyd live good lives in the wild and now they my not live lives at all....
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    Re: Did i do the right thing?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dracorex5 View Post
    I went in so certain theyd live good lives in the wild
    Well, at least now you know. Lesson learned. This goes for any wildlife agency for reasons that Stefan already stated: If you turn them over to them, (any animal that has been in captivity, especially if it's not listed CITES, is not endangered, etc) it is most certain that they will not "live good lives in the wild" or live at all for that matter. They will be destroyed in most cases. I do not believe that they were asking you questions so that they would know where to release them. They had other motives, because they never intended to release them. By law, they can't.

    One recent case comes to mind. Someone in Oregon took an albino white-tailed deer fawn from the wild and raised it as a pet. The animal was healthy and tame and had a good life on private property. By law, the wildlife officials couldn't let him keep it, but they also couldn't release it. The animal was confiscated, breaking the person's heart (and the public's) and it was destroyed.

    If you're ever in this situation again, consult the forum. We could have told you they would destroy them and I'm sure someone would have made arrangements to take them instead of letting them be culled. There's no need to feel guilty about it. Just learn from it.

    Quote Originally Posted by infernalis View Post
    You were far more responsible than some people, At least you didn't just go dump them on the ground.
    Exactly. Sometimes doing the right thing feels wrong but in all reality if you had done that, (just dumped them anywhere) they probably wouldn't have survived anyway and if they did, they could have done harm to the snakes already living there.

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