Hello ;-) & Question

**koki** · 06-16-2008, 12:04 PM

Hello

, I am new here and greet all garter snake fanatics.
Also I ask for the help in classifying 2 species:

First one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/...58af657f39.jpg

Second one: http://www.img.galeria.ultrahost.pl/...6011f4d8a7.jpg

I need to know species and sub-species

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I apologize for mine mistakes and ask for the leniency. Mine English not is good

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Thanks for the help and I greet from the Poland

**adamanteus** · 06-16-2008, 12:08 PM

Hi Krzysiek, and welcome to the forum.

Your English is fine, I understand you perfectly well, it's certainly better than my Polish!

You have two Ribbon Snakes, Thamnophis sauritus (I believe), I cannot say the sub-species from the photos.... and Ribbon Snakes aren't my strong point. I'm sure someone will be able to help you though.

Edit: On second thoughts... that first picture could be T. proximus, the dark ventro-lateral stripe appears to be absent. Anyone?

**Stefan-A** · 06-16-2008, 12:09 PM

Welcome aboard.

**el lobo** · 06-16-2008, 12:19 PM

Wow. just shows how much I know haha...I thought the second was a blue eastern. How can you tell? Is the first a male? just trying to learn a little more...

**adamanteus** · 06-16-2008, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by el lobo

Wow. just shows how much I know haha...I thought the second was a blue eastern. How can you tell? Is the first a male? just trying to learn a little more...

The lateral stripe is too high to be T. sirtalis. Shame the picture isn't just a little sharper. I think she's gravid too!

**Gijs & Sabine** · 06-16-2008, 12:27 PM

Welcome here

I'm not sure about the first one, could be a T.sauritus indeed. But the second one is a T.proximus proximus, we have them as well. Yours is a very nice one with a lot of blue !! Telling from the picture I should say you have a pregnant female there

(or am I totaly wrong about the size??)

**el lobo** · 06-16-2008, 12:28 PM

Oh, ok. cool.

**drache** · 06-16-2008, 12:44 PM

the first is a ribbon snake - some sauritus species
we used to have one that looked just like yours, with no dorsal stripe
nice snakes
and welcome to the forum

**koki** · 06-16-2008, 01:04 PM

I do a bit better photos

**Zephyr** · 06-16-2008, 01:07 PM

The second photo is DEFINATELY Thamnophis proximus orarius.
The first looks like Thamnophis sauritus (subspecies).

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