Nebulization of Sick/New Snakes

[Greg'sGarters]

I wanted to start a thread for something I think can REALLY help a lot of people either cure/prevent some Respiratory Infections. Nebulization. Nebulization (for those who don't know what it is) is a way of administering medication through the form of an aerosol/inhaled fog. I feel that it should be done to any new snakes, to kill any possible respiratory infections before symptoms arise and any snakes that have a known respiratory infection. If being done to a new snake, I would recommend doing this right after the snake gets to your house, before it goes into the quarantine tank. If being done to an established snake, I would recommend doing this immediately and after, putting the snake into quarantine and repeating once every 1-2 days and not returning it to the main collection until 3 days after the symptoms have gone away. This is how it is done:

Materials You Will Need:

• Zoo Med Repti Fogger
• F10 SC Veterinary Disinfectant
• Plastic Box (I use the sterilite sweater boxes, the small ones that are about 13" long) with lid
• Razor Blade/Box Cutter/Hot Knife; pretty much anything that can cut/melt through plastic
• Syringe that measures in cc or mL
• Sharpie/Marker
• Drill with small drill bit/hot screwdriver; anything that can make holes in through plastic

How To Set Up Your Nebulization System:

1. Drill/melt ventilation holes in the lid of your box for ventilation. Leave one corner without holes, this is where the fog will come into the chamber.
2. In the box that the Repti Fogger came in, you will find a tube that hooks up to the fogger for the fog to travel through. Place one end of this on the un-drilled corner of the lid for your box, and using a marker/sharpie, trace the hole onto the lid.
3. Use your Razor Blade/Box Cutter/Hot Knife to cut out/melt out the hole you just traced. This is where the fogging tube will enter the chamber.
4. Next setup your Repti Fogger. This is pretty easy, and can usually be figured out on your own. Take the bottle and fill it up with cold water leaving just a little space at the top before the neck of the bottle.
5. Open up your bottle of F10 SC Veterinary Disinfectant and draw up 2.5cc (2.5mL) of the disinfectant into the syringe. Inject/squirt this into the water in the bottle you just filled up and GENTLY mix by shaking (if you shake the bottle too hard, bubbles will form, not dangerous/problematic just annoying).
6. Screw the lid on your bottle and put the bottle on your fogger and let the bottle drain until the chamber is full (you will know when the bubbles stop coming).
7. If you haven't already, hook up the extending tube to the end of the fogger that fog comes out (when looking from the front, it is the right side).
8. Stick the other end of the tube in the hole you cut/melted out in step 3.
9. Your Nebulization System should be ready, do a test run before adding any snakes. When the knob is set all the way up, the box should fill up with fog in 10 seconds or less.
10. This is the final step. Compare your Nebulization System to mine (seen below). If you have ANY questions/doubts PLEASE contact me. F10 SC Veterinary Disinfectant is very powerful and is only to be used in a 1:250 ratio (F10 SC:Water) MAXIMUM.

I use a heavy fog for all garter snakes, except babies. For babies, I set the fogger at the lowest it can go without being off and do that 3 times, in 1 minute increments with 1 minute breaks in between.


This is my Repti Fogger

Zoo Med Fogger.jpg



This is the fogging tube connected to my box (Nebulization Chamber)

Fog Tube.jpg



This is what you should see when the Fogger (Nebulizer) is on high. If you look closely you can see that this is actually producing medicated fog!

Nebulizing In Process.jpg



This is my full set up. This is what it should look like when you are finished.

Nebulization System.jpg


This is my full set up. This is what it should look like when you are finished.


Once again, I STRESS that if you have ANY DOUBTS/CONCERNS/QUESTIONS PLEASE PM/SKYPE ME!!! Please note that this is NOT a substitute for seeing a qualified reptile veterinarian. This is used to treat/provent mild respiratory infections. If this does not work/help, I urge you to make an appointment with your reptile veterinarian.

I hope this thread helps anyone who has a snake with a respiratory infection, and with luck this may be the magic we have been waiting for!

[guidofatherof5]

Good thread but I hesitate treating healthy animals for a non identified illness. I understand the concept you are purporting but don't like introducing medication to a healthy animal and from what I can see it's a disinfectant.
I don't meant to be the fly in the ointment but not knowing anything about this F10 SC Veterinary Disinfectant I am leery.

[Greg'sGarters]

I agree with you on not treating snakes with medications for a non-identified illness. However this is not a medication, but a disinfectant. It does not do any harm to the lungs of the snake. Plus the instructions say to use a 1:250 ratio, however, I use a 1:500 ratio. It is used by the very reputable Brian Barczyk, who uses a 3:1000 ratio. If you are still leery, you can use a 1:1000 ratio which would be 1/4 the recommended strength. Through working with this stuff, I have inhaled fumes (not purposely, just from working with it) from the pure disinfectant which did not even cause a cough.

[guidofatherof5]

It is a disinfectant being used as a medication

[Greg'sGarters]

Actually it is a disinfectant being used as an antibiotic.

[ConcinusMan]

Actually it is a disinfectant being used as an antibiotic.

No, it's a disinfectant being used as an antiseptic. It works by direct contact with microbes that line the lungs. And I have to tell you, using a disinfectant instead of an antiseptic saved my butt and got rid of infections I had, when nothing else worked.

For example... before anyone found a cheap way to make hydrogen peroxide, they used saltwater with chlorine bleach in it, as an antiseptic.

For staph infections of the skin that I have had, peroxide and all other OTC antiseptics were ineffective. The way I got rid of the infections without having to take strong IV antibiotics was, I soaked the infected area in hot, diluted Hexol household cleaner. The key for using a disinfectant as an antiseptic is you have to dilute it heavily. Hexol isn't labeled for this kind of use, but I have to tell you, it worked when nothing else did. Hexol*General Household Cleaner and Deodorant | Walgreens

I saw that original video that Brian posted but when I looked into getting the disinfectant, it was unavailable in the U.S. to the general public. Later, when it did become available, it was dang near cheaper by weight, to buy pure gold, than that stuff. I never looked into it again after that.

I think that it works great, I had a corn snake that would wheeze louder than a pep rally at a school for deaf kids , but 30 minutes in the Nebulization Chamber, no sound at all when she's breathing!

If it worked that quick, I think that pure water would have had the same effect.

As far as "research" goes and all that, from what I understand, Brian has been using this method to get rid of mild respiratory infections/illness successfully for a number of years now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why it works. It's simple. Direct contact with a disinfectant kills the infection which is lining the respiratory system.

[Greg'sGarters]

No, it's a disinfectant being used as an antiseptic. It works by direct contact with microbes that line the lungs. And I have to tell you, using a disinfectant instead of an antiseptic saved my butt and got rid of infections I had, when nothing else worked.

For example... before anyone found a cheap way to make hydrogen peroxide, they used saltwater with chlorine bleach in it, as an antiseptic.

For staph infections of the skin that I have had, peroxide and all other OTC antiseptics were ineffective. The way I got rid of the infections without having to take strong IV antibiotics was, I soaked the infected area in hot, diluted Hexol household cleaner. The key for using a disinfectant as an antiseptic is you have to dilute it heavily. Hexol isn't labeled for this kind of use, but I have to tell you, it worked when nothing else did. Hexol*General Household Cleaner and Deodorant | Walgreens

I saw that original video that Brian posted but when I looked into getting the disinfectant, it was unavailable in the U.S. to the general public. Later, when it did become available, it was dang near cheaper by weight, to buy pure gold, than that stuff. I never looked into it again after that.



If it worked that quick, I think that pure water would have had the same effect.

As far as "research" goes and all that, from what I understand, Brian has been using this method to get rid of mild respiratory infections/illness successfully for a number of years now. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why it works. It's simple. Direct contact with a disinfectant kills the infection which is lining the respiratory system.

100% correct! The thing is that it is a 1:500 dilution ratio I wouldn't directly put this stuff in the nebulizer. It's actually not too expensive if you just buy a little bit of it. 10 mL will treat 5L so that's pretty good right there. And that's exactly how it works it just kills off the bacteria lining the lungs and the water helps to soothe their lungs. It's sorta like putting a humidifier in your room when you are sick.

[guidofatherof5]

Antibiotic are medications I certainly would need to do more research on this before I used it.

I did find this.

http://www.f10biocare.co.uk/VETDISINFECTANT.pdf

[Greg'sGarters]

I think that it works great, I had a corn snake that would wheeze louder than a pep rally at a school for deaf kids , but 30 minutes in the Nebulization Chamber, no sound at all when she's breathing!

[Selkielass]

To clarify im seeing this as an off-label use of medicine or pesticides.
off label use of pesticides has gotten the beekeeping industry into trouble time after time after time.
Dead colonies.
Contaminated equipment wax and honey.
Antibiotic resistant diseases.
Pesticides resistant mites.
Sick families and bad media publicity.

I don't want to see the reptile community subjected to any of this sort of scrutiny, or affected by the negative consequences that have plagued the beekeeping industry and community.
No offense to anyone personally
No individual attacks offered, but off label use of medications and pesticides is a dangerous road.