Emerald green eastern garter

[Just CL]

I'm sorry for posting excessively, but there are a few questions that I've been dying to ask for a while now; namely about bright green garter snakes. A few years ago I noticed a posted picture of one, and another post of someone who had seen one, but I can't find any "green morphs". It was Wxknight, I think, who posted that he'd call it an emerald eastern garter, and I like that term. My girl is actually probably my favorite garter "morph" and I can't wait to find out if the color is polygenic and, if so, how bright they can get. I want to basically make the logo for this site a reality one day.lol I've been looking for a suitable male for her for a while with no success, so I'm posting pics of my favorite garter "morph" for you to enjoy like I do.IMAG0180.jpgIMAG0182.jpgIMAG0178.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Gorgeous Tham.

[Elisabeth83]

I see people selling emerald and turquoise garters on Morph Market fairly often. They usually go for a few hundred or so. I just reserved a male turquoise baby blue stripe for myself. Might be worth checking out.

[Just CL]

Very very cool. Thank you. I actually sell on morphmarket, but I guess I'm unlucky enough to have missed any so far...but now I have hope.lol This girl is abnormally tiny, but I actually got 5 babies from her this year and two of them are identical to her when she was young. So either way I'll be able to see if it's reproducible. But it would be so much better to have an unrelated male. The pics don't do her justice. After a shed she's incredible for a few days.
P.s I didn't breed her on purpose, I just kept her with a pair I have, thinking she was too small to be ready this year.

[Elisabeth83]

True an unrelated male would be ideal. She certainly is pretty. It’s hard to tell color by pics alone, but this is the seller I recently bought from. This blue garter here had babies with another garter of the exact same color. I bought one of the babies. Not sure if he has any males left, or if this is the right color you would want. But very beautiful nonetheless. He has a lot of beautiful snakes for sale so maybe if this snake is the wrong shade of green he might still be able to find the kind you want. Wouldn’t hurt to ask.
https://www.morphmarket.com/us/c/rep...-snakes/396660

[Just CL]

Oh, they're beautiful! But....I don't really want to make any integrates. Hybrids are too hard to sell, and all I need is one little excuse and I'll keep them all for myself and have 100.lol I've seen some Florida blue stripes before, and they are more than a little similar to regular easterns, and I think that their ranges overlap...That being said, I'll play it safe and leave whether similis is really sirtalis or not up to the various "ologists" who know more than me. But you're awesome for finding that for me.

[Just CL]

I just had to respond once more...you went through all that trouble to help me out, and felt good about helping me (rightly so) and I refused your help because of the arguments of old men, most of which don't know any more than the avg stiff, but pretend they do as they pretentiously wave their degrees and certificates. The reality is that these snakes look exactly the same, but are different because they have miniscule genetic differences, which are apparently big enough to qualify them as a different subspecies, but not big enough to make them a different species. In my opinion, in a lot of cases it's simply splitting hairs (cases where scale count is the same). But...even though those babies you showed me would definitely produce beautiful offspring when paired with mine, I can't do it because of a predetermined line that dictates that those are different from mine. I don't really mind them being a subspecies, they probably should. But...I do feel bad that someone was kind enough to help me, and I can't accept it over geographical semantic.lol Sorry to rant but I do honestly feel bad about the trouble you went through.

[Elisabeth83]

Oh no, you’re totally fine! I’m super new to garters and have barely any idea what makes good breeding pairs and what don’t. Which is why I never plan to breed any of mine! Haha. I know hybrids of two different species are a tough sell, I just don’t know why. I’ve seen some beautiful ones and would definitely take a hybrid if I could find them. I had no real idea of how hybridization between two subspecies was viewed. I also thought Florida blue stripes and blue morph eastern were the same snake. lmao. Oops. But you’re okay. The most important thing if you get into breeding is finding all the babies good homes and if hybridization hinders that, then it’s really best avoided.
I’d end up keeping all my babies too if my snakes bred, which is why it ain’t happening. Lol

[Just CL]

No doubt. I have a lot of trouble parting with mine. What helps me is this: they make me so happy, that I want to share that feeling with everyone. I don't just sell pets. When someone gets a hold of me, I interview them. Or actually interrogate them. Then I take individual pics of all of my babies and send them so they can choose the exact one they want. If they can't pay right away, I send them weekly videos of their babies eating and interacting. It's a pain, but I love it. I figure if they will have it for the next 10-15 years, they should choose it. And see it from every angle. I keep my babies as groups to help keep track of who's who, and then separate them as needed. A little girl wants 4, and she only narrowed it down to 7 so far, so I'm sending her videos weekly to help her pick. Or make it harder.lol but I def. understand your point of view.

[Elisabeth83]

Yep that’s the type of seller I would be, but probably way more annoying! XD I’d be such a pain in the *** and probably make everybody leave with my horrible interrogations but I couldn’t help it. It would crush me to find out later that my babies went to a buyer who ended up neglecting or abusing them. I’d be the meanest seller in the world, ie not a very successful one. Better I just never let my babies have babies.