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    1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    this litter is from breeding the Carteret Co. Erythristic het for albino to the male Carteret Co. Erythristic het for albino. This was her second litter, but last year she only had the one live baby erythristic albino and the rest were stillborn. This year she had some jelly beans and a few deformed but 9 perfectly healthy live babies, the big surprise though was that there was a melanistic in the bunch, which means that both parents are also het for melanistic, which was not previously known, this also means that there could have been a erythristic snow produced, unfortunately didn't hit the odds in this litter maybe next year. There is also one albino in the litter and one normal that already show quite a bit of color.
    Group photo below

    The melanistic-reminds me of a black leopard, you can still see the spots under all that black.

    The albino, the most colorful erythristic (should get more red/orange with age) and the melanistic-might have to hold these 3 back for awhile

    here is a pic of mom

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    Awesome results Jeff!! congrats!

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    That's great Jeff. I'll be at your door about 4am to pick them up
    Steve
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    Emmy, Kale, Molly, Gabby, Hailee
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    "PM Boots For Custom Title" Jeff B's Avatar
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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    lol, the scary thing is thats almost believable coming from you Steve but you would have a difficult time getting me out of bed that early
    Oh well now that babies are beggining to be born I can foget about getting adequate sleep anyway.

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    Jackpot Love the melanistic!!! Very nice surprise!!!

    Omg, just went back and looked at him/her again... what a stunner... should be gorgeous as an adult, too! Sigh... someday...
    Tami

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    from being a little mentally ill, she's pretty normal.

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    lol, the scary thing is thats almost believable coming from you Steve but you would have a difficult time getting me out of bed that early
    Oh well now that babies are beggining to be born I can foget about getting adequate sleep anyway.
    That's a wonderful reason not to sleep. Newborn scrubs are so special.
    Best of luck with your now and future scrubs.

    P.S. I hadn't planned on waking you up. I have some specially trained radixes that do my bidding. Ninja radixes.
    Steve
    5 awesome kids!
    Emmy, Kale, Molly, Gabby, Hailee
    They are not just snakes. They're garter snakes.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/thamnophis14?feature=mhee

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    Wow! They look very good both in color as well as health and size!

    Be sure to keep us posted on how they color up!

    -Thomas

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    awesome!! looking forward to seeing how they color up!!! I really need some dang erys and flames!!!!!! still waiting on my first litter...exciting!!!

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    Congratulations!

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    Re: 1st litter of babies of 2010 for me with a big surprise!!!

    I knew one of the females had babies right when I walked into the snake room tonight, it had that birthing smell if you know what I mean, for those that do not it's kinda of a foul/sweet smell that you learn to love, but the females that I thought were most likely to have had babies didn't, then I thought I was seeing things when I looked over at that tub and saw the little heads looking at me, then I really thought I was seeing things when I first noticed the melanistic, thought maybe it just hadn't shed yet so it looked kinda dark, but then when I looked closely, I was like holy crap what just happened here, then I scratched my head and decided hmmm they must both be het for melanistic too (which I later confirmed with Scott that was indeed a possibility, but with many litters of similar breedings last year he had not hit those same odds- guess I should be glad to be lucky than good huh?), then the gears started turning that hey this pair could've produced a erythristic albino melanistic (snow), not sure if that would even be dissernable from plain albino melanistic (snow), but would be super cool if it developed an orange glow with age, of course it will probably take a much bigger litter to hit those odds..... next year maybe, it's a 1 in 16 just to hit the melanistic albino (snow) with that pairing and it's impossible to really accurately calculate true odds for a erythristic albino melanistic, of having a relatively good amount of erythristic genes inherited to show a relatively high end erythristic phenotype, but even if you rough it, a low estimate odds would be 1 in 64 to display all 3 traits. The reason I say this is because I really do not believe that erythristic trait is a single point mutation, recessive or codominant, in some ways a multi or poly gene trait can diseptively appear to have codominant-like inheritability, but the huge variablility and reducution of intensity or bleeding out in subsequent outcrossed generations suggests to me that there are multiple genes and factors involved in displaying that original wild caught erythristic phenotype, but I don't know that we have worked with it enough to really know one way or the other for sure.

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