Manitobas Garters

[Kantar]

It has been bugging me for so long, I see 4 different patterned garters. But some in a certain area I find more than the others

From left to right we'll call them A, B and C
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/312943_10150367744694359_525334358_9919163_3673522 78_n.jpg

A and C - 80 out of 100 times I'll see this snake while B the rest of those times

D - use serpent for example, I only find maybe once a year
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/307535_10150391176989359_525334358_10069288_762264 742_n.jpg

The red sided is obvious, but what about the other 3?

I don't want to be confused any longer

[RedSidedSPR]

D looks like a radix!

[d_virginiana]

I'm not really good at identifying, but I've seen quite a few easterns with similar patterns to C.

[guidofatherof5]

D is an awesome radix.

[RedSidedSPR]

To me they all look like,

A. Eastern
B. Red sided
C. Eastern
D. Radix

Nothing crazy. But what do I know.


D looks like a radix!

I made it sound like it only LOOKED like a radix. Not what I meant.


D is an awesome radix.

[mfwestphal]

A,B & C are all sirts, d is a radix. That's the Manitoba hypervariability in full cry.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

A b and c arelikely all parietalis. They don't need to have red on them to be considered parietalis!

[Kantar]

That is all in this area though, from Stephenfield Lake to St. Lupicin

Google Maps (http://maps.google.ca/maps?hl=en&ll=49.501134,-98.384628&spn=0.128428,0.22831&t=h&z=12&vpsrc=6)

[RedSidedSPR]

Shannon I think you're right.

[RedSidedSPR]

That is all in this area though, from Stephenfield Lake to St. Lupin

what's your point?

[Kantar]

Not everywhere is the same for Manitoba

I've been noticing that snakes like A show up in this area while snakes like C show up in other places.
Snakes like D just don't show up often for me even though they are the most beautiful one, super color combination

[RedSidedSPR]

Well D is another species. Radix... The others are all parietalis I'm thinkin'...

I see what you mean though...

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Yes D without question is thamnophis radix. But seeing a high degree of variation in the same locality is very common... the easterns in my backyard are all a little different! A B and C are probably all parietalis but they could be s. sirtalis or even intergrades of the two! I like A, with the white flecks!

[Kantar]

A is what I always called Eastern Plains

[RedSidedSPR]

No such thing, cause 1., that's not a plains of any kind, ad 2., there's no such thing as an eastern plains.;)

[Kantar]

Can someone help me to ID my last snake that needs IDing?

Caught as a tiny 5 inch little squiggly in july 2010, his little face and big eyes make me go awwww :D

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/305127_10150393931679359_525334358_10088224_203656 4775_n.jpg

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/315991_10150393931389359_525334358_10088223_110945 0551_n.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

My first impression is parientalis.

[Kantar]

OK thought so, just wanted to make sure

So now I can list my snakes

1.1.0 - Thamnophis Radix (Slider, Serpent)
2.1.0 - Thamnophis Sirtalis Parientalis (Spot, Pepper, Sunny)
1.1.2 - Thamnophis Marcianus (Frosty, Blizzard, 2 unnamed)
0.0.2 - Storeria occipitomaculata occipitomaculata (Tic & Tac)
1.1.0 - Pantherophis guttatus (Rambo, Sticks)

[RedSidedSPR]

Looks like a cute little parietalis.:)

Could be and eastern though... I doubt t.

[Kantar]

I heard that easterns might not be in manitoba. People only think they might be found in the southeast of manitoba or right on the border of ontario. Next year I'm going to travel to find out.

This little one was found at Learys, MB

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah this guys a parietalis.;) Just not a very red one.

[Kantar]

he has no red at all, he is my little 'White-Sided' :)

[RedSidedSPR]

He's cute.:)

The white is why I thought it could be an eastern possibly, but I think it's not... Just like I don't think A B or C is, I think it's allll parietalis, and D is radix.;)