new sirtalis morph?

[BUSHSNAKE]

..its a melanistic eastern(mother was wildcaught)3 of its sibs are classic melanistic but as you can see this one is different

[RedSidedSPR]

Don't know, but it's cool!:D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Its still a melanistic.... but it's not as melanin-covered as the others! That's wicked. Like the hyPermelanistic wandering!! I'm calling you in about.... 5 minutes

[ConcinusMan]

I agree with Shannon. I don't think this is a new morph at all. Just a different looking melanistic.

[ssssnakeluvr]

nice looking snake!!!!

[ConcinusMan]

To each his own I guess. I think it's rather homely.

[snakeman]

It may darken up.Still very cool.

[RedSidedSPR]

To each his own I guess. I think it's rather homely.

I don't know about you sometimes.:rolleyes: the only snake we agree that looks good is concinnus.:D

That snake IS wicked, I don't care what ya say. (like anery redsideds:D)

[Hornets23]

That is really cool! Curious to see how it looks as it grows..

[ConcinusMan]

I don't know about you sometimes.:rolleyes: the only snake we agree that looks good is concinnus.:D

That's not true.:rolleyes: I just don't see the thrill in that muddy "blah" looking thing.

[katach]

Those eyes are so big! Really cool looking snake!

[RedSidedSPR]

He looks a lot like my anery at birth...

[ConcinusMan]

Also kinda fugly.

[RedSidedSPR]

you callin' my snake fugly?!:mad::D

[guidofatherof5]

Sweet snake, Joe.

[jitami]

Very cool... I'm thinking he may darken, but who knows?

[Chondro788]

Awesome Joe!!! Looks anery, I hope it doesn't darken!!

[ConcinusMan]

And I think a lot of snakes called "anery" are really a form of melanistic so there you go.

[Eddie]

Joe
Is it a male? If it is we should try to breed it to my het anery next year and see what happens.
Ed

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It's a tiny little baby. I talked to Joe tonight. I know Joe does not have the patience to type a lot so I will do it for him. It came out of a wild female that also produced more regular looking melanistics. The mother of the snake is owned by Bill Minnick. Bill sent Joe a group of babies from a melanistic or het female (idk which it is) and this one was just kinda in there. The snake IS a melanistic, according to Joe. It just has a lot less black filled in than any other he's seen. According to him it is IDENTICAL to the anery red sideds. In fact when he found it on his floor (it had escaped briefly from his bin) he thought he was picking up a baby anery red sided. But it is definitely an eastern. It could be something new that just kinda popped up, he's going to hold onto it. And if he ever decides to part with it I called DIBS!!! :P Haha! But seriously It's really no different than when you see the "other" strain of melanistic wanderings, the ones many call 'hypermelanistic" (but all melanistics are hypermels, that's what melanistic is short for!) the ones that still have a lot of pattern. For a snake to be melanistic the only requirement is an increased amount of black pigmentation. Whether or not it has a pattern is irrelevant.... so yes for now we would say this snake is a melanistic, but for some reason he's a bit different looking from the ones we are used to seeing. It could be a totally new gene that is responsible for the increased black pigmentation... or it could be just a freak! Kinda the opposite of the melanistics we get regularly that have those gray spots and lines on their necks. Like that, but to a much greater extent.

[RedSidedSPR]

Interesting.


. According to him it is IDENTICAL to the anery red sideds. In fact when he found it on his floor (it had escaped briefly from his bin) he thought he was picking up a baby anery red sided. .

Told you it reminded me of my anery!:D

[Eddie]

So is it male or female?

[ConcinusMan]

Yes, of course it is.:rolleyes:

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I don't the he sexed it yet.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, he wasn't in the mood.:p

[mb90078]

The fact that it was found with siblings that are classic melanistic would lead me to believe that it is probably not a new morph, but maybe just a unique individual twist on the morph that may not be inheritable. If it were the lone aberrant snake in the group, I would be more inclined to think of it as a potentially "new" morph.

Of course, there is a chance that it could be melanistic and something else (possibly "new") combined, I guess.

[MasSalvaje]

That's not true.:rolleyes: I just don't see the thrill in that muddy "blah" looking thing.

If you had found this snake you would be going nuts and wondering why everyone wasn't offering you money for it and how the hobby needs to preserve this gene. Is it really that hard to give credit where credit is due?

Cool snake Joe, thanks for sharing.

-Thomas Wilder

[ConcinusMan]

If you had found this snake you would be going nuts and wondering why everyone wasn't offering you money for it and how the hobby needs to preserve this gene.

http://www.minerwars.com/ForumUploads/20100908111322_1531_DontThinksoTim.jpg

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Neat looking snake Joe.

[BUSHSNAKE]

thanks, to me is just a melanistic(just like the "anerys",lol), i wasnt trying to claim its something new, it hasnt fed for me yet but ill hold on to it and see how it turns out, it looks male

[RedSidedSPR]

Here's my anery when i got him (red sided) but it looks like your mel.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg3/scaled.php?server=3&filename=smoke24.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg163/scaled.php?server=163&filename=smoke8.jpg&res=medium

[BUSHSNAKE]

cuz theyre both the same...melanistic, ive been saying(for a long time now) if the mel easterns had a pattern it would look like...im not even gonna say it...anyways "walla"

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, that's why i posted.

I think there are obvious differences, but in the way your new little guy shows. He's mel, just different.. lighter...

[BUSHSNAKE]

now hes hypomelanistic...LOL

[RedSidedSPR]

exactly.:rolleyes:

[BUSHSNAKE]

Lmao

[ConcinusMan]

It's a fricken snake, it's melanistic, it's not a new morph, blah blah.

[BUSHSNAKE]

but now we have melanistic redsides and melanistic plains, lol

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It's a HYPO-HYPERMELANISTIC!!!! O.M.G.


:D

[ConcinusMan]

No, it's a possum. I don't like it.

[RedSidedSPR]

From what you say, no you don't.:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

Opossum, Richard. Opossum.

[ConcinusMan]

'possum. Sorry, forgot the apostrophe.

[RedSidedSPR]

Ain't they cute though?:D

http://screampunch.typepad.com/photos/uncategorized/possumhorror.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Damn you!:mad:

[RedSidedSPR]

Really? Pictures are enough to freak you out... sorry.

but they're adorable!!:D

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, whatever. Somebody PM me when the thread goes to the next page. Otherwise, I'm done here.

[RedSidedSPR]

Sorry

[RedSidedSPR]

Richard

[RedSidedSPR]

Ill get it to the next page.:D:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

Gosh Jesse, quit spamming. :p

[RedSidedSPR]

Just hang on... next page next page

[RedSidedSPR]

There. I'll PM him now.:D

[ConcinusMan]

Now you're being ridiculous

[RedSidedSPR]

Well it worked.:rolleyes: who knows when someone would post next.:D

[Scott F]

It looks similiar to the wierd melanistics Jeff had produced last year, think he called them leopard melanistics ??

Scott

[Scott F]

Richard,

I'm going to send you a nice clutch of baby and adult opposums to start the Lingo possum rescue (AKA LPR) with :)

Scott

[RedSidedSPR]

It looks similiar to the wierd melanistics Jeff had produced last year, think he called them leopard melanistics ??

Scott

http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/carteretholdbacks.jpg

http://gartersnakemorph.com/images/carteretmelanistic.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Richard,

I'm going to send you a nice clutch of baby and adult opposums to start the Lingo possum rescue (AKA LPR) with :)

Scott

Send them to me? Oh I just loathe garter snakes too. Can't stand flames, albinos or erythristics. I hate them all. :rolleyes:

[BUSHSNAKE]

new picture...the snake is doing well

[RedSidedSPR]

He is really cool!

[ConcinusMan]

I declare his name to be "mud" :p

[BUSHSNAKE]

how dare Scott compare my snake with Jeffs "leopard" im insulted...stupid name!

[Eddie]

Very unique. Can't wait to see him with some size on him.
Ed

[ConcinusMan]

how dare Scott compare my snake with Jeffs "leopard" im insulted...stupid name!

OK, so don't call it leopard. Call it mud. Or how about fugly?:p

[d_virginiana]

It actually struck me as more of a 'Jaguar' than a leopard :p

[snakeman]

Snake looks axantic in the new pic.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

its translucent!!!! :p

[Tommytradix]

found it lol

[BUSHSNAKE]

a melanistic eastern with a pattern, looks just like a "black axanthic" lol