Jesse's garter snakes

[chris-uk]

wu? Omg inbd. Idk my bff jill. Tisnf! (from an old cingular commercial)
roflbsst

[RedSidedSPR]

Roflmfwao

[guidofatherof5]

I don't find any of this funny. Darn you text speak.:D

[katach]

I just google what I don't know.... I'm on google A LOT!! :D

[EasternGirl]

Okay...I have no idea what stfu and gtfo means...I think it takes me longer to text abbreviations because I have to think about what the heck I'm typing for the abbreviation! And hey Mike...having a little signature schizophrenia are we? Lol...

Jesse...stop making the old people think! :D I'm going to need some gingko biloba or something so that I can function on this forum.

[kibakiba]

STFU means shut the f up and GTFU means get the f out. They're a little vulgar aren't they?

[chris-uk]

Okay...I have no idea what stfu and gtfo means...I think it takes me longer to text abbreviations because I have to think about what the heck I'm typing for the abbreviation! And hey Mike...having a little signature schizophrenia are we? Lol...

Jesse...stop making the old people think! :D I'm going to need some gingko biloba or something so that I can function on this forum.

That's because abbreviations like those don't have a place in civilised, grown-up conversation. They're just another way to circumvent the forum's profanity filters.


They're a little vulgar aren't they?

Agreed, hence they shouldn't be used on forum.


roflbsst

Means "Rolling On the Floor Laughing, But Somehow Still Typing". I stole it from one of our British comedians because I thought it was a good observation on most chat room/text talk abbreviations.

I don't want to come over as some old git with a downer on the youth of today (I am, but that's not the point in hand :) ), however surely we want to keep the forum as a fun, but grown-up, place to converse - as opposed to lowering it to text-talk, abbbreviations and teenage profanity? The youngsters who stop by the forum can make positive contributions but let's not kid ourselves, the wealth of knowledge is held in the heads of the older members and if we dumb down the conversations we will loose more valued contributers (I could name at least one person who made positive contributions who isn't posting anymore).

Just my two-pennies worth, which is not to thinly veiled as being targetted at Jesse in particular.

[mikem]

And hey Mike...having a little signature schizophrenia are we? Lol...

just having a little fun with it :p

[RedSidedSPR]

That Signature is awesome.

[EasternGirl]

Well said Chris. I think it is important to keep profanity at a minimum, and to try to be as respectful of others on this forum as we can. We need to try to be friendly and supportive of one another and hold our behavior up to the same standards as we would if we were interacting in person...try to keep negativity and fighting to a minimum as well. This forum has come to be very important to me...as a place to connect with people with a shared passion for garters and as a place that I now have many friends and a social connection that I do not have in the real world. I think many people on the forum for whatever reason, busy lives, family responsibilities, depression...what have you, find connections on here that they are unable to have out in the real world. It saddens me that good members have decided to leave the forum because of problems they may have encountered here. We need to make sure that does not happen anymore.

This is certainly not directed at anyone in particular...I speak to everyone here and include myself in this. And if this makes me sound like an old fuddy duddy, than so be it...

[Stefan-A]

Intrepid, in many languages it means fearless.
Coincidentally, that's what I tried to name my first garter back in 2005. Couldn't get used to calling it anything, though.

[chris-uk]

Wow, that's responding to an old post Stefan, no wonder I didn't remember reading it recently. What brought on the 6 month time slip?

[Stefan-A]

Wow, that's responding to an old post Stefan, no wonder I didn't remember reading it recently. What brought on the 6 month time slip?
The last several posts in this thread.

[guidofatherof5]

That's because abbreviations like those don't have a place in civilised, grown-up conversation. They're just another way to circumvent the forum's profanity filters.



Agreed, hence they shouldn't be used on forum.



Means "Rolling On the Floor Laughing, But Somehow Still Typing". I stole it from one of our British comedians because I thought it was a good observation on most chat room/text talk abbreviations.

I don't want to come over as some old git with a downer on the youth of today (I am, but that's not the point in hand :) ), however surely we want to keep the forum as a fun, but grown-up, place to converse - as opposed to lowering it to text-talk, abbbreviations and teenage profanity? The youngsters who stop by the forum can make positive contributions but let's not kid ourselves, the wealth of knowledge is held in the heads of the older members and if we dumb down the conversations we will loose more valued contributers (I could name at least one person who made positive contributions who isn't posting anymore).

Just my two-pennies worth, which is not to thinly veiled as being targetted at Jesse in particular.


I agree with you Chris and feel your post is worth much more then two-pennies.

[ConcinusMan]

All 3 are finally up, just messing with the windows 7 movie maker, but they turned out pretty good. But damnit, i still can't freaking get it to resize:mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2v6w9KVJo&list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&index=3&feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prx1_MIx6oA&list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&index=2&feature=plcp

Finally got around to uploading Rooster's, that took way too long, sorry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw4L0Qmya6c

Not quite sure what's up with the black bars but at least this time we can view it all the way up to 1080 HD. Looks fantastic on an HD 16:9 monitor at full screen. Stunning!

There's still something going on in Movie Maker that's causing it to not be at full frame size. I assume it comes out letterboxed before you upload to youtube? If I was more familar with that program...

Well, believe me, there's a setting there somewhere causing the black bars. Just need to find it. It's called "letterbox". Find the settings. the video is the right dimensions to fill the entire frame but it keeps getting letterboxed for some reason.

[RedSidedSPR]

Not quite sure what's up with the black bars but at least this time we can view it all the way up to 1080 HD. Looks fantastic on an HD 16:9 monitor at full screen. Stunning!

There's still something going on in Movie Maker that's causing it to not be at full frame size. I assume it comes out letterboxed before you upload to youtube? If I was more familar with that program...

Well, believe me, there's a setting there somewhere causing the black bars. Just need to find it. It's called "letterbox". Find the settings. the video is the right dimensions to fill the entire frame but it keeps getting letterboxed for some reason.

Thanks and yeah still kicking myself for the non-HD that was like the first time I ever used movie maker and didn't know to export it in HD might re-upload that one.

No, it isn't like that before upload But thanks had no idea what it'd be called that helps. Like, a lot. xD

Oh, and that last one isn't viewable on mobile. :/

[ConcinusMan]

I would think it's viewable on mobile only at the lower resolutions.

Are you sure you are not creating a letterboxed 4:3 aspect ratio WMV and uploading that? I think you are. Always use 16:9 when creating your WMV. Read this:

Suggested resolutions and bitrates - YouTube Help


(http://support.google.com/youtube/bin/static.py?hl=en&topic=1728588&guide=1728585&page=guide.cs)

[RedSidedSPR]

A rather epic angle

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/bbf40618.jpg

[EasternGirl]

Nice to hear from you Jesse. Great pic...one you should def save for a future contest. :)

[ConcinusMan]

A rather epic angle

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/bbf40618.jpg


wow, cool!

[InsanePirateDragon]

That's an awesome picture alright. Hod did you get that angle?

[surfersnake]

Red is probably one of the cutest little garter ive ever seen!

[RedSidedSPR]

Yes. Yes he is. Um, I mean thanks.


That's an awesome picture alright. Hod did you get that angle?

He always tries to go higher for some reason, when he has food. Like seriously he's jumped out of the cage with a worm once and shot under the shelf. Idk why. I just got the camera low pointed up at him

[EasternGirl]

That's funny...and that's an awesome pic.

[Dan72]

Just read this entire thread, watching all the snakes grow up over the course of an hour. Nice snakes!

[gazzamann]

some great photos there , a nice little collection you have :)

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks, hoping to get another next month

[Dan72]

Thanks, hoping to get another next month

What do you have your eye on? If I may ask...;).

[RedSidedSPR]

No idea, probably another red sided possibly a female for future breeding, idk..

[RedSidedSPR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FcGJmwVOKpY&list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&index=0&feature=plcp

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Very nice video and snake:).The way they get their skin off with just muscle contractions never fails to amaze me.

[RedSidedSPR]

Love it. First time I've ever tried taking them out when shedding, it never occurred to me and didn't know how they'd like it. It was cool seeing it without objects of mass annoyance in the way.

[ProXimuS]

Awesome video! Thanks for sharing:)

[kibakiba]

It looked like his shed was eating him, in a way, at 00:34. :D

[RedSidedSPR]

There's always a point in a shed when I think that lol

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice video. Love the fact you can hear the scales popping off during the shed.

[RedSidedSPR]

.. Now that I have yet to notice.

[RedSidedSPR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrNIwqCiRKI

again with the damn lettbox. It only happens sometimes I don't understand it

[ConcinusMan]

Haha, that's a feeding bite. He's trying to eat you. Must have had food smell on your finger. Man, he's looking hot! growing up too. I'm so jealous.

Be careful with that ****. It's a good way to break those delicate teeth.:mad: I have to admit though, that part at 0:30 cracks me up!

[RedSidedSPR]

Haha, that's a feeding bite. He's trying to eat you. Must have had food smell on your finger. Man, he's looking hot! growing up too. I'm so jealous.

Be careful with that ****. It's a good way to break those delicate teeth.:mad: I have to admit though, that part at 0:30 cracks me up!

Lol yeah I had pinky on my finger...

I'm careful, I never let them bite me if i can help it. I was trying to block his way there, and he goes and does that, the little prick.

I love it :D

[-MARWOLAETH-]

He was probably testing the "everything tastes like chicken" theory.

[RedSidedSPR]

Undoubtably.

[ConcinusMan]

Probably just thinking "hey, a pinky is a pinky"

[snake man]

Thats a funny video.

[RedSidedSPR]

Probably just thinking "hey, a pinky is a pinky"

took me about 27 seconds to get that

[Invisible Snake]

Kool Video, is he just a flame or an erythristic flame?

[RedSidedSPR]

Erythristic flame. He's gotten so red it's amazi g

[RedSidedSPR]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G_i7235pmE

[guidofatherof5]

Good feeding video.

[mikem]

Nice! What camera are you using?

[ConcinusMan]

Same one I'm using. Nikon Coolpix. Im using the S6000 model. All the models have the same lense though, and get pretty much the same results.

[RedSidedSPR]

Not necessarily, I can get significantly closer with mine

Nikon S8100

[ConcinusMan]

Still a Nikkor lens, which is what gives us such fantastic results.;) And if I got any closer, I would be performing a colonoscopy.:p

[RedSidedSPR]

Still, there's a reason I picked this particular camera over all the others in the series

[mikem]

I'll have to look into getting one of these. I really like the quality it has with close ups.

[ConcinusMan]

Still, there's a reason I picked this particular camera over all the others in the series

Yeah I know. There's a few minor upgrades from my model. Mine only does 720p HD for one thing, (yours does 1080 as well) which to me is more than adequate anyway. I don't plan on playing the videos on a massive 1080p television so 720 is enough. And, you can get a little closer in macro mode. All of the coolpix models do take awesome photos though! All of them.

[RedSidedSPR]

I only use 720p anyway.

But yes, they're all great cameras. True dat.


I'll have to look into getting one of these. I really like the quality it has with close ups.

I highly reccommend the series

[ConcinusMan]

It's contagious. I recommended and you got one, now who's next? But seriously you can't go wrong with any of them. (Coolpix series) Just choose a model in your price range (they are very affordable) and you won't be disappointed.

[RedSidedSPR]

There's one for every type of situation, can't go wrong with the series.

[kueluck]

<~~doesn’t care what the pics are taken with, just likes to see more pics.;) :D

[RedSidedSPR]

Well then here ya go

http://imageshack.us/a/img401/6325/0192na.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img196/3074/037bcs.jpg

Swallow sequence:

http://imageshack.us/a/img89/1511/sayah.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img692/3227/sayahagain.png

http://imageshack.us/a/img545/2980/sayahagainx2.png

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Great pics Jesse:)

[RedSidedSPR]

Yes I know.

Jk, thanks

[RedSidedSPR]

My oldest adult is either gay or really dumb cuz he keeps trying to mate with my other male....

Never mentioned it but I moved out 2 of the no-longer-called-babies babies out of their cage and into my solitary male as they are now big enough. They're all loving it, its cool seeing him interact with other snakes instead of just looking bore all day.

It's now Spooner, Smoke, and Red in one cage, Rooster and Oscar in the other.

Also planning on setting up another tank, all females , for future breeding.

[Light of Dae]

My oldest adult is either gay or really dumb cuz he keeps trying to mate with my other male....

Are you 100% sure the other male is indeed a male??

[snake man]

Awsome snakes!

[RedSidedSPR]

Are you 100% sure the other male is indeed a male??

I'm 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure..... The thought occurred to me, but it's just not possible.

Hell, if he isn't, I guess I'll move him to another cage, or i'll have some babies to sell, they are both red sided however so there's no real concern a this point.

But seriously, he can't be female.

[ProXimuS]

Awesome pics! I guess you can find out for sure if it is a male in a few months:p

[RedSidedSPR]

Now I'm all paranoid, damnit lol

He's too old for popping isn't he?

[Light of Dae]

I'm 99.999999999999999999999999999999999% sure..... The thought occurred to me, but it's just not possible.

Hell, if he isn't, I guess I'll move him to another cage, or i'll have some babies to sell, they are both red sided however so there's no real concern a this point.

But seriously, he can't be female.

Are you sure...?


Now I'm all paranoid, damnit lol

He's too old for popping isn't he?

LOL I did get you thinking eh.

You know what it is time for?
...
You gotta know this by now....


...

PICTURES!!!
Show us that vent! lol

[RedSidedSPR]

Best I can do till tomorrow:

http://i.imgur.com/foJzK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/r5ZZZ.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/U2syi.jpg

Give it to me

[ProXimuS]

I would think male also.... But he looks kinda small. Wait for others....

[RedSidedSPR]

He is small, he's about a year old.

Everything about him screams male. I just gotta hear it from a real expert now lol

[ConcinusMan]

Obviously male

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah. Paranoia's a bitch. Lol

[kueluck]

The third pic reminds me of Jack Nicholson when he played Joker in the 89' Batman movie. But I'm sure your snake is much sweeter.

[guidofatherof5]

Male

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks.. Had to make sure.


The third pic reminds me of Jack Nicholson when he played Joker in the 89' Batman movie. But I'm sure your snake is much sweeter.

LOLOL much sweeter

[EasternGirl]

I love that video of your flame trying to eat your finger! He was even trying to clean his mouth off afterward! So funny. I don't know Jesse...that snake above definitely looks male to me...but, I posted pics of Seeley when he was young and everyone said female...until he and Cee Cee mated and had babies!! But I have seen males trying to mate.

[RedSidedSPR]

:/

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I would say male. If i remember correctly you popped all of them when you first got them and they all popped.

[RedSidedSPR]

He was the only one I didn't pop, because Scott popped him right in front of me. Can't believe you remember that thanks LOL

[BLUESIRTALIS]

My memory amazes me sometimes.


he was the only one i didn't pop, because scott popped him right in front of me. Can't believe you remember that thanks lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

You really are going to have to quit letting him watch glee.:p


my oldest adult is either gay or really dumb cuz he keeps trying to mate with my other male....

Never mentioned it but i moved out 2 of the no-longer-called-babies babies out of their cage and into my solitary male as they are now big enough. They're all loving it, its cool seeing him interact with other snakes instead of just looking bore all day.

It's now spooner, smoke, and red in one cage, rooster and oscar in the other.

Also planning on setting up another tank, all females , for future breeding.

[ConcinusMan]

He was the only one I didn't pop,

Which is why I don't do it. It can only confirm what I suspected already; that the snake is male. But it's not reliable at doing so at all. Many of them won't pop. Doesn't mean they're female so the practice isn't very useful to me. Now, if males AND females both popped reliably but had different parts, I'd do it. But that's not the case. If you ask me, it's no more reliable than sexing them visually, which I'm pretty good at. Good enough that I'll get about the same accuracy rate as trying to pop them.:cool:

This year I'm not even bothering. I'm not sexing baby snakes. I'm selling them as unsexed. Now, those of you that want specific sexes, I'll do my best to sex them visually but I won't back it up or guarantee it. Still, I'm pretty good at it and accuracy rate is around 85 percent or better.

[RedSidedSPR]

Well yeah, but sometimes the confirmation is worth trying. I agree it's not reliable as an actual sexing, but it's not completely pointless.


You really are going to have to quit letting him watch glee.:p

Ikr

[ConcinusMan]

Well yeah, but sometimes the confirmation is worth trying.


Why? to confirm what I already knew? And what of those that I suspect are female? Should I try to pop them? What if nothing comes out? Does it mean they are female for sure? NO. So, pointless. What if I'm sure it's a male and I still don't get anything coming out? Should I then conclude it's a female? NO. So, pointless.

Look, this is how Amy (a boy) ended up with a girls name. Breeder "popped" nothing came out so marked as female. I take one look at the snake and it looked male to me, but I just went with what the breeder told me. Low and behold, my suspicion was right. He is a male. I didn't need popping to tell me that. In his case, sexing visually by me, was accurate. Because he didn't pop, the breeder thought he was a girl.

In other words, popping at best, isn't any better than just an experienced eye, sexing visually. You're still going to have mistakes.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, you're right. Obviously pointless for females but still, it can prove if something's male, if you're not sure, just don't dub it female if nothing pops..... Like I bought my checkered at a show, he was labeled male, but he had this really female-looking tail/vent, so just to make sure, I popped him, and proved him male. If it hadn't popped, I wouldn't have dubbed him female, but having the proof pop out proved what I would have called female, a male.

It's an unreliable, often pointless tactic but it be useful. Just don't judge on its NOT popping

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Popping may not be 100% accurate but it's our most effective way of sexing babies. I feel like if a suspected female don't pop after 3 or 4 times it's got to be female. You just have to know what you are doing when it comes to popping. If it pops male then you're done sexing that one. I have had babies with the taper that i would have swore were females and they popped male. The visual thing is only effective in adults. The first thing i do is look at them and then i pop to see if i get the same conclusion.

[RedSidedSPR]

Exactly^

And yeah, I'm only talking about babies, adult visual is perfectly effective.

[RedSidedSPR]

I just realized, somehow for the first time, that Rooster (male concinnus, not even a year old) is now almost exactly as long as Spooner (male red sided, easily 4-5 years old). Decided to try those 2 together.. Put smoke and red back with Oscar.. Think this will work out better due to size. Spooner is significantly larger then either of them

[-MARWOLAETH-]

I just realized, somehow for the first time, that Rooster (male concinnus, not even a year old) is now almost exactly as long as Spooner (male red sided, easily 4-5 years old). In captivity they pretty much have and unlimited food supply and grow rapidly compared to wild snakes that have to hunt and go longer without food.Also being wild caught his growth could have been stunted by parasites.

[RedSidedSPR]

True, although I think it has more to do with Rooster being a concinnus (red spot). They get much bigger then most garters.

[EasternGirl]

Jesse...didn't I tell you not to let the snakes watch "Broke Back Mountain"???

[RedSidedSPR]

Apparently not enough.

[EasternGirl]

I have a gay cat. I don't care what anyone says...he is gay. He hates female cats and attacks them and humps my other male cat all the time. It's fine with me...I support homosexuality. I will march in gay cat pride parades with him.

[RedSidedSPR]

.__.

[ConcinusMan]

True, although I think it has more to do with Rooster being a concinnus (red spot). They get much bigger then most garters.

I wouldn't say that. I think just about all T. sirtalis subspecies, but perhaps especially the western ones, all get to be about the same size. I'm pretty sure that rooster was from one of my litters last year. But anyway, they do have a tendency to get big fast. They are in a big hurry to grow out of the baby stage. This takes them off the menu for many predators, mainly small birds, but it also allows them to take advantage of larger food items such as rough skinned newts and bullfrogs sooner. A captive concinnus at around 4-5 months old will get as big as a year-old one would in the wild.

[RedSidedSPR]

I wouldn't say that. I think just about all T. sirtalis subspecies, but perhaps especially the western ones, all get to be about the same size. I'm pretty sure that rooster was from one of my litters last year. But anyway, they do have a tendency to get big fast. They are in a big hurry to grow out of the baby stage. This takes them off the menu for many predators, mainly small birds, but it also allows them to take advantage of larger food items such as rough skinned newts and bullfrogs sooner. A captive concinnus at around 4-5 months old will get as big as a year-old one would in the wild.

Yeah they have a lot more reasoms to get big fast.. I Worded that wrong, should have said "they grow faster" but don't they usually get a bit larger then your average sirtalis?

[-MARWOLAETH-]

One of my sisters rats chase and mount the other one.Could it be their way of showing dominance?Or she just a lesbian?:rolleyes:

[ConcinusMan]

I have a gay cat. I don't care what anyone says...he is gay. He hates female cats and attacks them and humps my other male cat all the time. It's fine with me...I support homosexuality. I will march in gay cat pride parades with him.

I've seen that before. The thing is, they will do that especially if the females aren't in heat. The humping other males is explainable. He is showing his dominance over the other cat. It's not about sex.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's not dominance with snakes though..

Here's the size comparison btw, and why I moved rooster up there instead of these two:

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/NewCompany6_zpsa7b87ab0.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/NewCompany9_zpsf3d83c8c.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/NewCompany19_zps09ea5472.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

It's not dominance with snakes though..Here's the size comparison btw, and why I moved rooster up there instead of these two.. They looked a bit smothered.

Double post... Don't know how that happened...

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Whats the name of the knobbly wood that you screwed to the log it looks cool.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's called mopani wood.. You can find it at most pet stores for a largely overcharged price. it's my favorite decor though.

They come in little bags of multiple little pieces of the wood, or a big piece like these. You can screw 'em together, stick plants in them, whatever. They're pretty cool

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/C94DA02D-F6AE-4AAB-9C15-BF8C3961825F-4515-000000F32BBD1C32_zpsbd6c9fe7.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/053220F2-E28C-4295-8DB3-828105ABB6F3-4515-000000F3315BED80_zpsfb7b531f.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Mopani wood is awesome. I use it too. It's from Africa and it's the hardest wood known to man. Will not rot in moist environments and can even be used underwater if you soak it first to leech out the tannins.

All commercially available mopani wood is salvaged from burned and/or dead trees.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup. Had some in my fish tank when I kept fish. Awesome stuff.


Don't know how that double post happened btw lol

[Invisible Snake]

Mopani wood is awesome. I use it too. It's from Africa and it's the hardest wood known to man. Will not rot in moist environments and can even be used underwater if you soak it first to leech out the tannins.

All commercially available mopani wood is salvaged from burned and/or dead trees.

I thought petrified wood was the hardest wood known to man?

[Invisible Snake]

Hey Jessie what type of substrate do you use? How would you rate it amongst all the other substrates you've used?

[RedSidedSPR]

It's called ReptiBark.. I love it, looks natural, easy to clean, too big to stick to food usually, or be easily swallowed (although if they did, it wouldn't be good..). I prefer it over Aspen because of the color and cuz it doesn't stick to food.

Only other bedding besides aspen I've tried is carefresh and I chucked that out after a week. Looks like wet toilet paper. Lol

8/10 lol

[snake man]

I also use it and its awsome.

[ConcinusMan]

It's very heavy though. Almost as heavy as stone. Gotta secure it.;) I usually only use it in tanks with babies/very young snakes. It's too heavy for them to topple.

[RedSidedSPR]

True, it's really heavy, in a potentially dangerous way. Make sure it's secure

[RedSidedSPR]

My nice, sweet little (actually big) Rooster just played tug of war with my finger. Never seen a snake do that. Bit my finger, latches on, and yanks my back under the hide. Repeatedly. Hard. Wasn't sure if I should let him pull or try and get him off, he eventually let go.. But damn. Lol. He's strong :p

[RedSidedSPR]

boring video of the new babies warming up after their trip lol.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DftnjAMnUoQ&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plcp

[ProXimuS]

They're so pretty:)

[RedSidedSPR]

Yes, yes they are.

Jk. Thanks

[Light of Dae]

zzzz....That was a very boring video....

Pretty cute but yea.. they each took a deep breath... WOW. ...

lol

[Stefan-A]

zzzz....That was a very boring video....

Pretty cute but yea.. they each took a deep breath... WOW. ...

lol
Not enough explosions and car chases in that 21-second long video?

[RedSidedSPR]

It was all the they did for 3 hours. I'll get some explosions up later.

They're doing great though, both ate some worms and tilapia yesterday and on arrival.

[RedSidedSPR]

Some pictures of the snakes that look tinier every time I look at them..

http://i.imgur.com/k3OWY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/coeUm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uSEYi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oj54u.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6EdKk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/98Zlh.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

And for the heck of it, here's some random pictures of Rooster, who is grown 4 inches in 2 weeks.. Just shed, lookin' nice and purdy... although the pictures washed out the colors.
He's also developing some orange on his head that he never had before which is interesting

http://i.imgur.com/R1e09l.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/antLMl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/wbOaJl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/kkihsl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/W1FKdl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/vAXMdl.jpg

[kueluck]

Very nice, very nice indeed.

[RedSidedSPR]

And Oscar.. cuz I accidentlly uploaded these.. lol

http://i.imgur.com/YhyBzl.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/n1SAil.jpg

[kueluck]

I LOVE the second picture. Looks like he's black & white...........really love it!

[RedSidedSPR]

And here's another video

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[RedSidedSPR]

I LOVE the second picture. Looks like he's black & white...........really love it!

Thanks.. It's a rare picture of him that he's not biting me, always cool to get a picture where he's not freakin out.

[RedSidedSPR]

Measured all the snakes today

Rooster 21.1
Smoke 17.4
Red 16.1
Oscar 13.6

female 7.7
male 8.8

[RedSidedSPR]

He blows a bubble at 0:54 lol
sorry for the shakin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUgnW5dXIao&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plcp

[ConcinusMan]

Some pictures of the snakes that look tinier every time I look at them..

http://i.imgur.com/k3OWY.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/coeUm.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/uSEYi.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/oj54u.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/6EdKk.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/98Zlh.jpg


Awesome photography Jesse. Now does everyone see that anery influence? Mom was stunning blue anery. You know they won't stay tiny for long Jesse. Red spot babies grow extremely fast. I think that orange will fade as they grow. Might even turn blue.

[RedSidedSPR]

He blows a bubble at 0:54 lol
sorry for the shakin


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUgnW5dXIao&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plcp

And the bigger version

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[ConcinusMan]

Hey, give 'em some pinkies!

[RedSidedSPR]

Was gonna ask you, have the eaten any pinkies yet? I gave them some chopped up pinkies yesterday, only the female ate them.. The male won't touch pinkies or worms.

Other then that they're pigs.

[RedSidedSPR]

The male won't touch pinkies or worms.

Problem has been resolved

Q_zSCBoH2Wg&list
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_zSCBoH2Wg&list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&index=1&feature=plcp

[ConcinusMan]

Problem has been resolved

I figured it wouldn't be that difficult.;)

[RedSidedSPR]

I knew it wouldn't, but he's actually gone 2 feedings without eating anything (tried every food item in my possesion). It wast so much the not eating pinkies as the the not eating period. Wasn't worried about it but still, glad to see him eating normally

[-MARWOLAETH-]

I wish my little one was as fearless as those two. Ive got to get my hand on some
.concinnus and radix seem like the perfect snake:)

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, they've got some great personalities.

They're growing like crazy too. They should shed today

[ConcinusMan]

I don't think anything prepares first-time concinnus owners for the astonishing growth rate. Pretty typical for them to more than double in size between the ages of 4 mos to 8 mos, roughly.

[RedSidedSPR]

They're already noticeably bigger.. I expected it cuz of how fast rooster got up to 21 inches (took like 6 months...) but it's still surprising!

[Lisa4john]

Wow, they're cool. Nice. :D

[RedSidedSPR]

They shed.


...

Just sayin.

[ConcinusMan]

The entire time I've had them, all the babies seem to shed at the same time. I'll turn my back for a minute, look again, and there's like 80 shed skins in the tank.:eek:

[RedSidedSPR]

Lol, yeah they shed back to back within an hour. Can't imagine 80..

[ConcinusMan]

That's how it went down when I still had 90 of them. Imagine about 80% of those shedding all in the same hour.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Of course they wouldn't shed when someone is looking they're far to modest:)

[ConcinusMan]

Yep. I look in the tank, change the water, no skins. Turn my back for 5 minutes, come back with their food, and they're all done shedding.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yep. I look in the tank, change the water, no skins. Turn my back for 5 minutes, come back with their food, and they're all done shedding.

God, i know. Pisses me off :p

I've caught of few of my snakes shedding, but never when by waiting and watching. Gave that up after sitting for 4 hours waiting and having that same thing happen. Twice

[RedSidedSPR]

(posted on October 15)
male 8.8
female 7.7


Already 9.8 and 8.1 inches

[Steveo]

I never see the scrubs shed and only a few times have I even been able to tell they're going to. Often I'll give them a pre-feeding look over, feed them, and then the next morning I find new skins. I don't even know who to check to make sure it all came off.

[ConcinusMan]

I've never had any concinnus babies with shedding issues. Adults occasionally, but never babies. They shed in like, 5 seconds. One piece.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's true.


I never see the scrubs shed and only a few times have I even been able to tell they're going to. Often I'll give them a pre-feeding look over, feed them, and then the next morning I find new skins. I don't even know who to check to make sure it all came off.

a few days before the shed, their eyes will go blue, as in solid, opaque eyes. You'll also notice a significantly more dull snake.. The eyes will clear up, and a day or so later they'll shed.
After the shed, he'll be considerably brighter, more colorful, and quite soft.

That's how i know when and who.

several days before shed:
http://i.imgur.com/ARsezl.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/fZcLpl.jpg

Hours before shed:
http://i.imgur.com/ops6ql.jpg

After shed:
http://i.imgur.com/RWWgJl.jpg

Pretty significant difference


Before shed:
http://i.imgur.com/XRHpal.jpg

After shed:
http://i.imgur.com/S8wL8l.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

disregard

[kueluck]

I love it when they are all shiny and new lookin'. Jesse are you going to the Repticon in Winston Salem the weekend of Nov 17th?

[RedSidedSPR]

I love it when they are all shiny and new lookin'. Jesse are you going to the Repticon in Winston Salem the weekend of Nov 17th?

Planning on it. Not sure, but I may be in WV that weekend.

[RedSidedSPR]

A few random pictures from this week (sorry for the messy cage, it was cleaned yesterday)

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/202.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/058.jpg



http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/198.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/055.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/050.jpg

[ProXimuS]

Such cute babies:D Is the second shed example snake your anerythristic parietalis(The one that was mentioned in Carly's thread)?

[snakechick]

Your anery is so adorable :). How old is he? Your new concinnus babies are awesome. They look so tiny!

[Lisa4john]

You have some super snakes, I love Smoke too, just stunning. :)

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks


Such cute babies:D Is the second shed example snake your anerythristic parietalis(The one that was mentioned in Carly's thread)?

It is indeed. An old picture though.


Your anery is so adorable :). How old is he? Your new concinnus babies are awesome. They look so tiny!

He was born in May 2011, that's an old pic from earlier this year.

I'll just have to post some up to date pictures of him, haven't gotten any up for awhile

[RedSidedSPR]

New female just me 7 times repeatedly, along with poo and musk, when I picked her up to clean the cage.

If this continues she shall be called Cruella.

But seeing as its fear, not malice, who knows.

She's terrified of me. I open the cage for feeding and it's enough to make her not eat. This is how my checkered was but he sucked it up when food was involved, and eventually got over it until the next handling, they'd be a all skittish again.

She's just freakin tripped out. Not what I expected the first 3 days after arrival, she was damn near lethargic she was so chilled.

Got no problem whatsoever with the biting and stuf, as it's the only snake that does it, I actually like it. But the not eating out of fear is annoying

[ConcinusMan]

I know that substrate can be a problem but with snakes like that I find that they will eat if given privacy. Like, a feeding tank with paper towel liner and a hide where the snake feels safe. Place the food in the hide. Do not disturb. Perhaps leave it overnight. This is also the only way I've ever gotten rubber boas to eat. They have to feel like they aren't being watched or seen.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'll try that if she continues, thanks. Usually she'll eventually take the food though, but not lately. So I'll give that a shot

[RedSidedSPR]

Spooner (redsided MALE) will not stop trying to mate with Rooster (red spotted -- ALSO MALE) since this morning at like 6:00..

And I don't mean just getting on top of him like before. There's stuff going on down there....

Took him out for like an hour when it looked like Rooster was starting to get annoyed.. Second I put him in again he lunged on rooster and continued.

I'm assuming there's nothing I can do or be concerned about though. ?

Strange.

[ConcinusMan]

I'll bet rooster just shed his skin. It's the lipids causing the attraction. The effect should wear off in just a few hours to a couple of days.

[RedSidedSPR]

I see.. Interesting. Yeah, he shed this morning.

(So did the flame and anery.)

[ConcinusMan]

Just keep separate for a day or two so he doesn't get stressed out. It will pass fairly quickly.

[RedSidedSPR]

I don't actually have a separate cage but I'll stick him somewhere to sleep though.

He doesn't seem to mind or notice, he was actually asleep for half of it.

[kueluck]

Uhh....were you watching Broke Back Mt where the snakes could see it?? ;)

[Stefan-A]

Easy with the jokes, there.

[kueluck]

Oopps, sorry if I offended someone. Guess the sense of humor from x-military is WAY different than others.

[Stefan-A]

Guess the sense of humor from x-military is WAY different than others.
Some ex-military do display a lack of tact.

[-MARWOLAETH-]

I read an article explaining the evolutionary uses of scents of reptiles in a reptile magazine.It mentioned that sometimes male garters have scents that are similar to females due to in balances in certain hormones,this causes other males to persue him as if it is a receptive female.

[ConcinusMan]

I'm aware of that but that's not what's happening here. What you mentioned is probably an adaptation to cold/ northern climates and it seems it's only red sided garters that do this, and only a few of them are "female mimmicks", and only at the time of year when they first emerge from the dens. The theory is that attracting numerous males to pile on top of the female mimmick, has a thermoregulatory advantage.

For some reason, the attaction happens every time my female concinnus' shed, regardless of the time of year. Right after shedding, the males try to court the females although the attraction isn't as strong or long lasting as it is when they are receptive to mating. I've personally never had a male try to mate with a male though. It's always been male on female, right after she sheds. It also doesn't seem to attract a T. ordinoides to a concinnus though. Just concinnus to concinnus. At least that's what I have observed.

[RedSidedSPR]

Well this is male to male, and parietalis to concinnus.

And he's still doing it...

BOTH my parietalis btw.

The annoying part is keeping them seperated. I don't have a spare cage. When I put him in with the other snakes, smoke does the same thing, when I put smoke with spooner, he does it to smoke. There's no possible combination of snakes that doesn't result in weirdness.

Been keeping rooster in a tub with a heat lamp, he's cool with it. Actually seemed to be realeaved to be out of there. I don't blame him.......

[ConcinusMan]

Be careful. I don't recommend using a heat lamp for tubs. A heat mat would be better, just barely under one end. Watch out for warping and watch the temps carefully. Sounds like rooster could use a cold shower, lol.

[RedSidedSPR]

I was careful, it's so damn cold in this house I turned it on sometimes, but only a 40 watt and it wasn't a problem.

Smoke is over it. So he's in the cage with everyone else for now


Be careful. I don't recommend using a heat lamp for tubs. A heat mat would be better, just barely under one end. Watch out for warping and watch the temps carefully. Sounds like rooster could use a cold shower, lol.

[ConcinusMan]

I was careful, it's so damn cold in this house I turned it on sometimes, but only a 40 watt and it wasn't a problem.

Smoke is over it.

Then it's probably too hot. It shouldn't smoke at all. :p

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Well, i thought it was funny!


oopps, sorry if i offended someone. Guess the sense of humor from x-military is way different than others.

[RedSidedSPR]

Then it's probably too hot. It shouldn't smoke at all. :p

Crap, then I guess the flames must be bad too..

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, you don't want flames coming from your lighting / heaters either.

[Invisible Snake]

Is there a slight possibility that 1 of your males is a female?

[ConcinusMan]

That crossed my mind too.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'll post pictures but he's obviously male. Crosse my mind of course but I'm damn sure he's male

[guidofatherof5]

I could post pictures but he's obviously male. Crosse my mind of course but I'm damn sure he's male

Let us be the judge of that:D

[Foxrun402]

lol I thought mine was a male at first... But I didn't check... But after seeing the thread about checking that Steve showed me I was like uhhhhm.... My bad! LOL

[RedSidedSPR]

He's not cooperating but here.
Best i can do with one hand and a crappy phone

http://i.imgur.com/R6SQb.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/o72cV.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry to hear HE was not enjoying the photo shoot.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks.

[ProXimuS]

Looks male to me, also...Pretty black belly too:)

[ConcinusMan]

Maybe his buddies just love him. A little too much.

[RedSidedSPR]

I don't know what to think. Just hope it stops before I leave town on Thursday.

[RedSidedSPR]

Forgot about this thread... Thought I'd update it.

6/4/13 female of the two concinnus babies died. (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/12577-first-death.html)

There. Updated.

[RedSidedSPR]

http://i.imgur.com/Q5Dwejz.jpg

[d_virginiana]

Harley's brother looks just like her :)

[RedSidedSPR]

Harley's brother looks just like her :)

Red's sister looks just like him. What a coincidence.

But seriously, there's one big difference.. How the hell did Harley get 3 feet?

[ConcinusMan]

Harley has feet?!! lol

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah it's weird.

[RedSidedSPR]

Uh.. yeah help yourself..


http://youtu.be/Ldb1AcfRJHo

[RedSidedSPR]

http://i.imgur.com/jR6GeGI.jpg

[EasternGirl]

What all do you have there Jesse?

[kueluck]

#700 - I call that the "when you gonna feed me" or "hey clean up the poop" or "I want out" or "I want fresh water please" or "what the crap are you looking" at stare. :D

[RedSidedSPR]

It's all of the above.


What all do you have there Jesse?

You mean which snakes?
Oscar, Red and Rooster.
Checkered, Flame, Concinnus.

[jwolfe152]

i really like that help yourself video