Jesse's garter snakes

[kibakiba]

I wouldn't think so. I guess it could since its an extended amount of time.

[RedSidedSPR]

darn. Now I'm all paranoid again.

[kibakiba]

Jesse, it should be fine. I doubt it'll harm your snakes. It happened once, so I'm sure they're fine.

[RedSidedSPR]

"Fine" as in, "aren't going to die".:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

So? That should make you happy. Your snakes aren't going to just keel over and die immediately.

[RedSidedSPR]

I never thought they would! When i worry about parasites, I'm not worried about them dying.

Of course it makes me happy. Still don't want parasite in my babies!!

[kibakiba]

Well, you could be lucky and have none.

[RedSidedSPR]

Me? Lucky? Ha!

Kidding.

[kibakiba]

That's how I feel allll the time.

[RedSidedSPR]

The checkered just ate while in my hand, and doesn't bite much now. Gettin' there.

[katach]

Congrats!!

[ConcinusMan]

I know you are. No offense taken.

So 30 f for 3 months won't work??

I don't think so. Try about 30 degrees colder, and around 60 days (probably overkill) to be sure. Tapeworms (and their larvae) die rather quickly at temperatures below freezing and that's the main concern, and their eggs (the species of tapeworms that reptiles and birds get) can't hatch and directly infect them. They must go through larval stages in a fish or amphibian (digestive system or muscle tissue) and then get swallowed by the snake.

Mematodes are a little more complicated: Merck Veterinary Manual (http://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/171410.htm)

Don't panic. Even the meds I gave you won't completely rid a WC snake of all possible nematode species they could be carrying. The idea is greatly reduce their numbers and chances of getting reinfected. You only really need to keep them from getting overwhelmed to make a big difference when compared to doing nothing.

[RedSidedSPR]

Gotcha.. he only ate two tiny chunks of thigh meat, I'm not too worried, but that helps thanks.

I can't make it colder. Darn. No more frog legs for Smoke.

[RedSidedSPR]

New tank:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/e3e7e6ec.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/532a3970.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/aa4b0a22.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Don't get too obsessed about parasites just yet Jesse. You're a good garter keeper. I'm sure your snakes will be healthy and happy for years to come. A few worms, if they even have them, is not the end of the world.

[snakehill]

Nice tank!!!!;)

[RedSidedSPR]

Not actually a new tank, just a new setup. Wish I had a bigger cage so I could really go crazy.

Thanks Richard.

[RedSidedSPR]

Hey, how many people here have 5 adult (well, not baby) snakes in one cage? How big is it??

How many snakes can you fit in a 20 galling without "overcrowding"??

Thanks

[RedSidedSPR]

5 or more that is.

[katach]

I have our 5 adults in a 20 long. 3 are NW though so they are smaller. They all can find their own space. Plus we have the raised ledge and several hiding places.

[RedSidedSPR]

Alright! Planning on getting a big front opening tank or something eventually, but good to know they can go in my 20gal until then.

FYI, I'm bringin this up, because all ng babies will go with my adult eventually, and at the rate theyre growing that isn't far away. They'll outgrow that 10gal fast.

[RedSidedSPR]

j__-IA4RoaU
IA4RoaU

[kibakiba]

I have 8 snakes in a 20 gallon... Most of them are babies, but I have a yearling, sub adult(2yo) and an adult female in it. They all seem happy to be together.

[RedSidedSPR]

Whoa..

[kibakiba]

NWs are pretty dang small. They all have room to be able to move away from the others if they need to. It's a temporary thing until Hades is out of quarantine.

[RedSidedSPR]

No I understand, but ive never seen 8 snakes in one cage unless it's a litter if babjes. Just seemed like a lot! Not too much, space-wise, didn't mean that.

[kibakiba]

Yeah, I as just saying. I personally wouldn't keep 8 adults in one 20. 4 max, I had Snap, Ember, Snakey and Mama all in one tank for a while... Snap didn't like Mama. Lots of cat fights between those crazy women.

[RedSidedSPR]

It would be no more than 5, no less then 4. So I think it'll work out.

[katach]

Ours are pretty happy. The tank is 30in long, 13 wide and 13 tall. They have layers inside for climbing and to increase usable space.

[RedSidedSPR]

Same as mine.

That's was the idea with my 10gals new setup. you know with that platform and excessive plastic vegetation.

Again, eventually they'll all go in a BIG tank. Just not sure when that'll happen so they'll be in the 20gal for a bit.

[jitami]

Love the new set up! I bet they love that shelf :)

I have two large adults in a 20L right now and I think I'd be happier if they had a bit more room. I also have two younger adults (08 babies) in a 20L and they have plenty of room, however :)

[RedSidedSPR]

They do love it.:)

Thanks like I said it would be pretty temporary, but that's good to know.

[RedSidedSPR]

Spooner is being dewormed.

Means I will be able to put my babies on with him soon, still not sure what to get for the cage... I could go with a nice front-opening big cage, or I could get a cheaper big normal tank.. I could get and alltogether big tank, or one that is bigger than mine by ways of tall.. Same floor space as a 30gal so but taller in porportion than my a standard 20gal.

Or I could just get a nice big 40-55gal normal boring old tank.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Messing around with some video options on my iPod to get the right colors etc, what better way to test colors than with 3 colorful garter snakes? Figured afterwards it was worth uploading.

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(please work)

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome Jesse. They look great.

[GarField000]

Indeed nice colours on those garters.
I like the red one ....
But you have to train them a little better .. they don't sit still hahahaha

[kibakiba]

They want to look around and have an awesome adventure! Like most kids usually do, especially when it's around the house ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks! They love being out of the cage. Actually are pretty good at sitting still...sometimes.

[RedSidedSPR]

The checkered shed today first time.

[kibakiba]

Pictures! Now!

[RedSidedSPR]

October 6th.:p

Can't upload without a computer.:(

[RedSidedSPR]

I think I'm gonna cry.

My SD card is full. I've delted all I could, but I hadn't put these on my harddrive before the computer crashed, now I'm stuck with them on my camera, and I can't take more!! And I can't upload them!! Can't post can't put them on the computer... stuck with my iPod's camera for everything. The crappy little 2.5 mp one.

Took pics of the fresh checkered (shed yesterday) and that filled the card. Have some cool pics I've taken through out the week that I just can't delete, plus about months work of stuff.:mad: all the good pictures.:(

So, Chantel, that's why I can't...

[katach]

That is sad! Can you buy a new card? They sell some at walmart for cheap. Mine is a sony so I have to have a special size, but I can transfer my photos to the bigger card. It sucks your computer crashed.

[RedSidedSPR]

I know... died a week or too ago, and cat get another until Oct 6th. But I'm looking forward to an up-to-date computer that doesn't freeze every 6 mintutes.

Yes I could probably buy another card. I think I'll wait though... I feel so imcomplete!!!!!!!!!:p

[kibakiba]

I wish I was getting a new pc by the 6th. Mine is starting to die. It barely turns on anymore.

[RedSidedSPR]

I survived a computer like that for 3 years!!!!

It's very sad though, not to be able to have my photoshoots.:(:D

[kibakiba]

Well, I can still have photo shoots, I just have to put the pictures on my external while I'm editing (cropping usually) cause if my pc crashes, I always loose about 50 gigs of stuff..:mad: My HDD is fairly new, but it, along with my processor and motherboard, are failing.

[RedSidedSPR]

Same here. I NEVER delete anything from camera etc unless its on external, cause the computer crashes i lose it all.=/

[kibakiba]

Yeah, pcs have a grudge against me, it seems... Lol.

[RedSidedSPR]

Nevermind. Put it in nature thread. http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/garter-snake-lounge/531-nature-photography-thread-377.html#post183206

Dunno why I started to do it here,.

but it's awesome.

[RedSidedSPR]

I cleared some room, and did a feeding photoshoot this time. Set 'em up like usual, but with food. So close up mouth-full-of-food shots!

But of course I can't post 'em.

FYI when I say "photoshoot" I mean set up shots like this, usually on a white or blue background, on my desk or floor.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg638/scaled.php?server=638&filename=snakesss037.jpg&res=iphone

[guidofatherof5]

Nice photo.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks it's one of my favorites I've ever taken! It was a while back though... Its earlier in this thread somewhere... I'll post it bigger, cause I'm bored.:p

This was Sep 2nd. My most successful "photoshoot". My concinnus is so dang cooperative! He just sits still and poses!! I love him!

http://img638.imageshack.us/img638/266/snakesss037.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/2117/snakesss038.jpg
http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9697/snakesss041.jpg
http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3982/snakesss039.jpg
http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9485/snakesss042.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Still nice photos.

[Mrs N1ntndo]

WOW AWESOME WOW. Very very cool. I love the pics. If those are done on you phns camera then it works pretty good. I love the pics and you have a very beautiful snake.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thank you! No these are old, they were done with my camera, not my "phne".;)


Still nice photos.

Eh, they're OK.:D

[Mommy2many]

What kind of camera were you using?

[RedSidedSPR]

A bad one.:p

Olympus FE-20, old archived product with 2 inch macro and horrible flash.

Not actually that bad, I like it, but it's very hard to work with indoors!

But I'd recommend it.

[guidofatherof5]

Hold the phone or camera.:D
I also use an FE-20.
Seems to work fine.

[RedSidedSPR]

Ya do? Huh.

Yeah, it works "fine". But only fine.:D

It's great, especially outdoors, but the flash really messes up indoor shots, and without flash it's a blurry mess... But with natural lighting it's pretty decent.

I like it. Heck, I have it don't I?

[Mommy2many]

Better than what I've got, which is nothin':rolleyes:

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, this IS a good camera... And being and archived product it's cheap.

Oh heck maybe I'll send this one to ya when I get a new one.:D

Maybe.

[Mommy2many]

I may even pay for shipping!
Maybe...:D

[RedSidedSPR]

You'll pay it!.

Yeah, well, I'll probably sell it anyway... Maybe you'll buy it cheap!

Maybe.

[Mommy2many]

Yup.
Maybe:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh heck, I'll give to ya cheap. $545, including shipping!

Maybe...

[Mommy2many]

Such the deal! Heck, I may even fly down there for that!:p

[RedSidedSPR]

Your forgot your "maybe". You lose.:p

Yeah, you gotta face it. The price is right. I mean, I payed $200 for it!

Something like that.

[Mommy2many]

Again, a better deal could not be had here in the north...
maybe...

[RedSidedSPR]

Well how do you think I get all my business?? Selling 'em at $150??

Pfft.

[Mommy2many]

I see now...
maybe...

[RedSidedSPR]

Give it up. You lost.

[Mommy2many]

I never give up and I never lose:D

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh that's scary.:eek:

[RedSidedSPR]

Hey cool I popped a snake!!!

Ive always been scared to pop them, plus I don't like it... I read it hurts them or something, and I just sex them visually.

But, I was having doubts that my checkered was actually male... His tail just screamed FEMALE!! I was annoyed at that, and finally, after weeks of staring at his tail, decided to gently START popping him..

I just did what I've learned, gently, not even all the way, and it was EASY! it's all about finger placement!

Yup. He's male. But I swear, I never would have guessed that...

[RedSidedSPR]

Red at feeding time.. Not normal.:p

I've said it before, how crazy Red (flame) gets with food, almost to the point of being dangerous. Last night I was done, and even several mintutes later, I picked up the blue wash cloth I used for pictures and it sorta bounced around. He threw himself at the glass, mouth open wide, going nuts, pushing hard as he could to get trough the glass, and fell over backwards into the water bowl....

I had to see if he'd do it again, and he did. I just shook the towel and he came out of the leaves and did the same thing (without falling in the water)

So thats why he's potentially dangerous during feeding time, he attacks movement. That would include another snake.

He doesn't get like that really with tong feeding, but anything else, especially ALIVE, and he'll be like that. The first and last time I put feeder guppies in te cage with all the snakes, he literally came flying out of the hide (didnt even know where he was) and just threw his whole body in the water bowl!!! He was swimming in circles, taking down more guppies than I thought possible in that time, the other snakes came and any movement they'd make would cause Red to attack them. After he bit Smoke, and compulsively stole a guppy from Rooster (concinnus) I took him out. (he bit me when I touched him) So, 1., the rest could eat, and two so they would be safe.

That's the last time he gets guppies with the other snakes.

Oh yeah, and on Sunday, I was feeding him down on the floor, he missed the tilapia, and chomped down on my finger looking like my checkered. He would not let go, trying his best to pull me away and swallow me, until he finally gave up.

Steves story inspired/reminded me to tell all that.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/concinnus009-1.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Sounds like Red needs an attitude adjustment.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

He's a sweetie when there's no food involved.:rolleyes: It's not even attitude, he just gets way too exited over food!! Which is why he's usually the fat one.

[Bart]

It's nothing like my Kleo. She's very gentle with food - she must smell it from all sides and when she's convinced, she opens her mouth. ;) Izy usually smells her food and then bolts towards it. No "flying" moves...

As for guppie hunting technique... Kleo has two options: she stares at the water and BAM - strikes and gets a fish. Alternatively, she puts her head in the water and makes few circles with her mouth wide open. Izy does the same trick, but she usually enters with her whole body into the dish. She doesn't do the Kleo's first trick though.

[RedSidedSPR]

Ok sorry, I misread your posts as her being psycho like that.

That's how my adult is with fish. I'll upload a video from back when I first had him, and was feeding him live fish and worms. Now i don't, cause this live fish were Rosies.

This was before i joined here. Everything I read recommended rosies. I still have a huge stash in my freezer, and he gets some ever now and then, cause he loves them. It's the only food he's guaranteed to eat at any time, so I used them to deworm him.:)

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[Bart]

Yup, he looks exited allright. :) I like his tongue flicking. ;) It reminds me happy puppy waving it's tail. ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

That's not the exited snake. That's my adult, he just likes his minnows.

My baby flame is the crazy one. Don't have a video of that! Too busy keeping him from hurting the others!

[Bart]

Yeah I know, I just reffered to this happy tongue flicking. ;) I can see it's not your pretty crazy Flame. Just a thought -his name and look match his attitude!

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup! They do. I'll try and get a video that shows his crazy-ness.

A video is uploading now, of my adult catching fish..:)

[Bart]

Make sure you inform us when it's uploaded a second after it's done!

[RedSidedSPR]

I'll post it when it's done.

It's an old one... I took it, and edited it (rather poorly compared to now) almost a year ago. All with my iPod.

I had taken a long video of entire feeding, and trimmed it down and timed it to fit the music for an "epic" effect.:D

[Bart]

A long as you are not making a movie with your washing-machine, it should be fine. :)

[RedSidedSPR]

Aw, shoot, it must not be fine than.:(:p

[RedSidedSPR]

This was taken a year ago, with my iPod and noob editing skills, I'll make a new, better one when I get a computer.

I took a video of the entire feeding, but it was so long I decided to cut it to time it with the the music for an epic effect.

Also, this was before I joined here, and didn't know about rosies. I don't feed them anymore.;)

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[RedSidedSPR]

Two cool things:

I found the first two earthworms ever in my yard. My snakes never had them before yet went crazy for them. Guess Steve was right when he says they taste better.

And 2: concinnus and flame are going into shed.

You'll have to wait a week for photos though...

[RedSidedSPR]

SPOONER NOW EATS UNSCENTED TILAPIA!!!!!!

Finally. It took months, he's SO picky. No more minnows for feeding or scenting! Yay!

Now i gotta get me some pinkies to round it out to the perfect diet. Worms, tilapia, and pinkies.

I'm happy.

[katach]

Congrats!!!

[RedSidedSPR]

Red (flame) and Rooster (concinnus) are both deep in shed, and Smoke is beginning to go into shed. Never had so many snakes in shed at one time before. Cool.

[guidofatherof5]

Must be that good living.

[RedSidedSPR]

Must be. They're growing soooooooo fast.

[RedSidedSPR]

Updates:

Alright, I have decided on a name for my checkered. Oscar. Cause he's a grouch.
And for any one who missed it, I forgot to mention the concinnus' new name, the one you guys gave suggestions for, (yeah yeah i didnt use them) which is and has been for awhile, Rooster. As in, Rooster Cogburn. this one was thought out hard, he's named that for being fearless, bold etc, and BIG. Lol.

Also... Weighed the babies today.

Smoke (anery) 9 grams. (he's around 10inches)
Red (flame) 8 grams (he's around 9-10 inches)
Rooster (concinnus) 7 grams (he's around 12inches but leaner/thinner)
Oscar (checkered) 4 grams! (tiny little guy... can't measure the nut)

Rooster and Red are still in shed. The humidity has been surprisingly low so they enjoyed a bath in the tub. As long as my hand was near, they had fun. Spooner did not eat the new found food, tilapia, today...

[zooplan]

It´s amazing how fascinating even a small collection could be.
I´m very jealous about you ery/flame, but hope to produce some next year.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks he's getting so red. He's shedding so he'll be redder!

[RedSidedSPR]

I finally decided to take my adult outside. He was so calm he just sat there!

I got the best tounge shot i have ever gotten! I lie natural light! It makes every picture better!

Can't post it though, you'll just have to wait! :P

[snakehill]

Tease!!!

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup.

[RedSidedSPR]

Roosters eyes cleared up Monday morning, but he hasn't shed yet. None of my snakes have taken this long after clearing up. Is this normal?

[kibakiba]

Snap took 4 days after she went clear to shed.

[RedSidedSPR]

Ok as long as It's not a retained shed or anything. Thanks!

[kibakiba]

Pick him up and bend his side a little bit, if the skin is really wrinkly when you do, it's likely retained.

[RedSidedSPR]

Nope. It's not.

[ConcinusMan]

The timing varies a lot Jesse. Here lately, before I sold Amy, he would shed and look good only for a few days then go right back to faded and "blue". He stays that way for a freaking month before he finally clears and sheds. So, even the same snake can have widely varying timing on the shedding stages.

[RedSidedSPR]

A month!? Weird.....

Well anyhoo, he just shed. And for the FIRST TIME EVER, I watched the WHOLE THING!!! I saw him moving around and new he was starting, and I got a video of the entire shed! iPod is acting weird and won't let me upload it until I trim it down to 2:00 - 3:00, instead of the original 12:00.... I'll work on that and post it tonight if it works.

Awesome.

Now that he shed, I also got my contest entry. Will take a few more to see what I come up with, but I'm happy with the results...

[kibakiba]

There are some people (like me) who like watching the whole long video ;) I like seeing snakes shed, but I also have too much time on my hands :D

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah it's better short, means anyone can watch it instead of clicking "watch later" lol

Made a thread, for those un-subscribed. But here it is.


I just watched for the first time, one of my snakes (Rooster my concinnus baby) shed from start to finish. Doug my homework, saw him moving and new what he was doing.

I took a video of the entire thing, it was 12:00 minutes long. Had to take it with my iPod (camera was dead) therefore had to upload it from my iPod (no computer yet anyway) and it made me shorten it to 3:00. Had to trim it up like you'll see. Probably for the better.

I was all ninja like, weilding my iPod and camera (video and pics) at the same time! Whatever, just saying thats what the flashes are....

Anyhoo...

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[kibakiba]

Didn't show... ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

ARGH!!! you have no idea how much I want that computer. 2 more days... 2 more days...

Fixed it. I think.

[kibakiba]

Yep it's fixed.

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome video Jesse. I've been trying for years to get get the whole thing on video. Little boogers are just too dang fast. One minute they haven't even started, a minute later, I get there just in time to see them finishing up. D'OH!

[RedSidedSPR]

Just some of the better shots of each of the snakes:

Red

http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/4647/pa080616.jpg

Rooster

http://img804.imageshack.us/img804/4135/pa060590.jpg

Smoke

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6748/pa080635.jpg

Oscar

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3504/p9240418.jpg


Spooner -- i don't update him with photos much, so here's some of the best i've ever taken:

I like my camera better after this one!
http://img844.imageshack.us/img844/3893/pa020524.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/4814/pa090669.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

check this out. Rooster's so dang smart! Every feeding for the last week or so, he's gone to the same spot, higher, close to the food. he's not trying to get out, not doing anything but going to his little "feeding spot" on the rim of the cage. Just stays right there for 30 minutes if needed.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/3660/pa190706.jpg

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/9752/pa190705.jpg

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/9487/pa190707.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

he's sure not very grateful for me saving his life....

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/3782/p9290502.jpg

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5346/p9270475.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Relaxed...

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/5245/pa060582.jpg

Sorry for the heavy load of photos updates, i have access to a computer for the first time in 6 weeks, i'm posting everything while i have the chance.

[kibakiba]

http://img856.imageshack.us/img856/5346/p9270475.jpg


derp! :D

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, really. He always bites. I try not to handle him too much, but i gotta take pictures!!

[kibakiba]

Those eyes just make me laugh ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

He looks happy when he's trying to eat me....

[kibakiba]

So does Hades... Little booger just has that look in his eyes.

[RedSidedSPR]

http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/2799/pa100672.jpg

http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/4038/pa100673.jpg

[kibakiba]

Cute!

[RedSidedSPR]

he's very very very interested in the babies! I put Rooster in his cage and he followed him everywhere! Rooster just ignore him. He;s used to other snakes.:D

[kibakiba]

Snakey does that with the babies too... But when he catches up to them he courts with them... :rolleyes:

[RedSidedSPR]

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[RedSidedSPR]

Made this last night. I was bored.


'sgot some footage of my babies at 1-2 months old. I forget how tiny they were!:D

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[d_virginiana]

Babies are so cute when they eat. I love the way they attack everything so viciously. My adult will pretty much just open his mouth and let you drop the food in (unless of course you do it wrong, in which case he goes bonkers...). It's crazy how quick they grow too, you had a good idea getting so many pictures/videos of yours as babies!

[katach]

They do grow fast. My little boy is 3mo old and he has more than doubled in length and girth.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Great video Jesse!

[guidofatherof5]

Well done video.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks! It was crappy quality cause it was all done with my ipod. It was also just done in an hour of boredom so it ain't nothin' compared to what i'll do NOW THAT I HAVE A COMPUTER!!!!:D

[snakehill]

Halleluiah!!!!!:p

[d_virginiana]

ain't nothin' compared to what i'll do NOW THAT I HAVE A COMPUTER!!!!:D

That's one of the best feelings ever. lol

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow, Smoke had a growth spurt, Rooster was longer now Smoke is... as of today:

Smoke: 13.3 inches
Red: 11.8 inches
Rooster: 12.4
Oscar: 8.8

[RedSidedSPR]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6364/023oq.jpg

[EasternGirl]

Great looking snakes...I love the group photo...do you mind if I use it as a background on my computer? So adorable! Did you name "whats-his-face" yet? I think he looks like a "Flash"...

[twostripes42]

Thanks. You'd love him in person. You put your hand in there, he climbs it willingly. (actually freaks out if it's not mine).

I had the lid open today,(watching him of course) and he somehow reached the top, and climbed the power cord to the stereo above, and curled up on the stereo before I put him back.:D

Again, I'm open to ideas for names for the little guy.
I think something involving the color blue would be cool, because of his belly and gene. But anything works. if u havent thought of a name i like the name whats-his-face haha

[RedSidedSPR]

Great looking snakes...I love the group photo...do you mind if I use it as a background on my computer? So adorable! Did you name "whats-his-face" yet? I think he looks like a "Flash"...

His name is Rooster, he's youngest but the biggest, and unusually calm, and bold and stuff -- fearless of me and everything else.

Big and fearless. Like Rooster Cogburn. lol

[EasternGirl]

Oh...okay...I thought that the Rooster name was new...

[RedSidedSPR]

Nope i updated that awhile back.;) But thanks for the suggestion.:D

Rooster was sort of a nick name but it grew on me. He has a unique personality so i just had to name him for it

[RedSidedSPR]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6264/101hee.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/105.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

do you mind if I use it as a background on my computer?

Sure as long as that's all ya do.:rolleyes:

[RedSidedSPR]

Apparently thawing fish has a strong smell..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0MOHsj_Eb4&feature=channel_video_title

[kibakiba]

Thawing fish makes all my snakes crazy. Even moreso when it's cooked, for me. Haha.

[RedSidedSPR]

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5053/035jo.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Ok guys i really think I'm gonna go ahead and introduce the quarantied Oscar. (the checkered) It's been almost 3 months. I know you said 4 months, but he's outgrowing his cage, and i can't get a bigger one... I feel like this is the best way to go, as he needs to be moved. Tell me if you think it's a bad idea, though.

[guidofatherof5]

Ok guys i really think I'm gonna go ahead and introduce the quarantied Oscar. (the checkered) It's been almost 3 months. I know you said 4 months, but he's outgrowing his cage, and i can't get a bigger one... I feel like this is the best way to go, as he needs to be moved. Tell me if you think it's a bad idea, though.

The time you set for quarantine should not be compromised.
If you set it at 4 months then hold to it.
If you don't you will find other reason not abide by the time again.
Another 30 days can't be that big a deal.;)
Just my opinion.

[kimbosaur]

Steve, every time I feel tempted to put my girls together, one of your posts (not unlike the one above) pops up in my head and then I stop myself from doing it. 39 more days to go...

[guidofatherof5]

Steve, every time I feel tempted to put my girls together, one of your posts (not unlike the one above) pops up in my head and then I stop myself from doing it. 39 more days to go...

Adjusting quarantine time can only end in the deaths of more snakes. Possibly a whole collection.
The chances of this happening are slim but just the fact that it does happen should make a quarantine period like stone.

[RedSidedSPR]

Well in my mind it was "3 or 4 months" lol. But Steve I think i just forget how important it is. When you remind me i realize how it important it is and will wait the 30 days. It also felt a lot longer than 3 months and i just figured i could put him in now as it kinda needs to be done soon but 30 more days won't hurt, you're right. Thanks

[RedSidedSPR]

This is Rooster's spot that I'm always talking about. Every time there's food he goes up there, "begs" eats, and goes back down. Doesn't try and escape, nothing, just sits there. He's a smart snake...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWU5Kdv_RnM&feature=feedu

[tress29]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/105.jpg
I like the color of this one. Who is it, and what species?

[ConcinusMan]

Oooh, oooh, pick me! I know! :p Anerythristic Red Sided (T. sirtalis parietalis) Mutated gene responsible for producing red pigment leaves the snake unable to produce red pigment so the areas that should be red, have no pigment at all.:D This is of course an oversimplification because it also effects the stripe which would normally be yellow usually. The cool thing about these is that if you can produce a snake that is both anery and albino, (amelanistic) you get a very clean looking snow. (entire snake lacks all pigment colors)

http://www.albinogartersnake.com/images/11_RedSidedSnowFemale.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup i have plans for him.:)

tress, that one's Smoke.;)

[RedSidedSPR]

This was the day i got Smoke (yeah, they big guy pictured above). He was about 5 inches than..


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QrUGVg3UeM&feature=channel_video_title

[ConcinusMan]

Is he het for albino Jesse? possible het? That would be a bonus. At any rate, if you breed him to an albino you know the babies will be het for snow (double het for albino and anery) for sure. Thing is, you gotta wait another generation to get snows. I guess that's why parietalis snows are still so expensive.

[RedSidedSPR]

Is he het for albino Jesse? possible het? That would be a bonus. At any rate, if you breed him to an albino you know the babies will be het for snow (double het for albino and anery) for sure. Thing is, you gotta wait another generation to get snows. I guess that's why parietalis snows are still so expensive.

Um. I think.:rolleyes: Pretty sure he's het something... I'll find out.

[infernalis]

Um. I think.:rolleyes: Pretty sure he's het something... I'll find out.

If you got it from Scott, it's a het.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yup he is 66% poss het for snow & albino. Thanks Wayne

[RedSidedSPR]

Gonna set up that shelf thingy soon. I've decided on not putting all 5 in a cage, just because of the size I'd need, but separating them into three's. Two 20-30 gallons on top of each other, rather then one big one. Red and Smoke will go with my adult living in a 20, Rooster will go with Oscar and... oh my i seem to have a problem.

Shucks! Guess I'll have to get another.:rolleyes:

[Bart]

About a shelf... I just ordered one. Gotta buy a bigger viv for Nefri either, so you aren't alone in this, bro! ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

;). Yeah i gotta get cages, that's the tough part. Hard to find local cheap cages. Petsmart's got great ones, just exactly what i need, but i'm not paying $80 for 20gallons. Not happening.

[Bart]

80$? :P Cheap one. Gotta spend at least 120 bucks - for smaller. :(

[RedSidedSPR]

really?! Jeez. Well I still don't have $80...

[Bart]

Of course I'm talking about a viv AND shelf. Just calculated it: $128.

[RedSidedSPR]

well that's different.:rolleyes:

I'm talking VIV

[Bart]

After a while of thinking I might be lying. :P How big 20 gallons viv is? In cm please...

[RedSidedSPR]

Standard 20 gallon is 30"L x 12"W x 12"H

Oh sorry. In centimeters that's: 76.2"L x 30.5"W x 30.5"H

[Bart]

Oh, so it's cheaper then (if bought on allegro [local auction site] of course; in petshops prices are twice as high or even more) in here. Last time I checked, viv 80x40x40 made of glass costs around $62 on allegro (the cheapest).

[RedSidedSPR]

Lucky you.:rolleyes:

Can't help but think this when i see this picture.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4594/004iotm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/004iotm.jpg/)

[EasternGirl]

Lol...great pic!

[ConcinusMan]

Lucky you.:rolleyes:

Can't help but think this when i see this picture.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/4594/004iotm.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/202/004iotm.jpg/)

That's hilarious! "oh yeah, smart guy? Lets see if you can catch a fish in your mouth by slamming your face in the water... yeah, I that's what I thought":D

[RedSidedSPR]

Thought you'd like that.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

About time to introduce Oscar.

I'll do it around Christmas. He so needs to get out of this setup. He'll love the company too.

[kimbosaur]

My girls are going to live together soon too! Christmas Eve actually...although I might cheat for tomorrow or the 23rd because one of the lights went out and I don't want to use a new bulb for just two days. I still need to clean out the 20 gallon which has been less than fun so far.

[RedSidedSPR]

I think he'll be much more secure and comfortable with other snakes. He's so insecure it's almost sad.:D Only way he comes out is to feed, or when I'm not in the room.. even when he's feeding, he only comes part way out, and then shoots back in after grabbing the food.

He won't actually be with all these guys long, but he and Rooster will probably live with eachother for along time, along with whatever I buy next year.

[RedSidedSPR]

Ya know what, was gonna post a bunch of curled up pictures but I can't find all of 'em right now, so I'm turning this into "my how he's grown!" post of Smoke, although Red is featured too.

with curled up pictures.:p

I LOVE looking at how small they were.

Here;s Smoke and Red back when I got them.. I got Red to make Smoke feel more secure. He was terrified of coming out.. Red helped that, and they literally never left each others side. If one moved to a different hide, the other moved with him. They came out together, and went back together. Was CUTE. Wish I had my camera skills back then, don't have a lot of pictures.
They're still like this, just much more bold now, having no fear of coming out and of me, but they're still buds. Which is why I'm keeping them together when I move everyone.

All of these pictures are in the exact same spot, under the exact same hide.

TINY
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/4664/babies6.jpg

Later
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9456/babies13.jpg

When I got Rooster.
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2428/ssnakess205.jpg


Now.
http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/773/086k.jpg

Big ol' boy now...
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/8196/084u.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

<<<<<MORE ON PREVIOUS PAGE.

Week one!!

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/6162/smoke46.jpg

NOW
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6264/101hee.jpg

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/8683/105tz.jpg

[EasternGirl]

Very cute! Cee Cee and Seeley did much better after I moved them in together...unfortunately I had to separate them again after I found out that Seeley was a male. But he is much less skiddish now. Jesse...just a thought....because you were talking about your snake being insecure and hiding, etc. Have you thought about getting some substrate that they can burrow in? My snakes love carefresh and Boxo...they love to burrow and make tunnels in it and it seems to make them feel more secure when they can burrow.

[guidofatherof5]

Growing like a weed. A very handsome weed.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks.:)

He was 5 inches, he is now 13, almost 14 inches, for those who care.

One of my favorite things about him is his eyes. Solid black, shining, reflective eyes.

You can see the entire front yard in his eyes here in the first one.

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/9039/solidblackeyes.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/838/solidblackeyes.jpg/)

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/6748/pa080635.jpg

[snakehill]

He's a cutie! Love anerys! :)

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks and thanks

[RedSidedSPR]

Very cute! Cee Cee and Seeley did much better after I moved them in together...unfortunately I had to separate them again after I found out that Seeley was a male. But he is much less skiddish now. Jesse...just a thought....because you were talking about your snake being insecure and hiding, etc. Have you thought about getting some substrate that they can burrow in? My snakes love carefresh and Boxo...they love to burrow and make tunnels in it and it seems to make them feel more secure when they can burrow.

Well they're not at all insecure now, in fact they couldn't be more secure. But yeah, but adult has Aspen and he burrows a LOT, I'd love to do it with my babies, but with 3 (4 tomorrow) in one cage, I can't handle feeding on Aspen. Too dangerous.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/GarterSnake57.jpg

[EasternGirl]

What an adorable pic!

[RedSidedSPR]

Forgot to post this when I did it, on christmas.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wfmudHsW12U

[RedSidedSPR]

This camera rocks.

http://img857.imageshack.us/img857/8770/s8100032.jpg



http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4494/s8100035.jpg

http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/6091/s8100036.jpg

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/3623/s8100tham026.jpg

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4496/s8100tham023.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9772/s8100tham025.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Whoever was saying they wanted a purple snake should look into an anery red sided.:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

He looks a bit more slate grey and blueish to me.

[RedSidedSPR]

He looks a bit more slate grey and blueish to me.

yeah, of course, that's why I love his colors, it's just sometimes looks purple and is probably the closest you'll get.

But yeah he's not/

[EasternGirl]

It's funny...I remember when I introduced Cee Cee and Seeley...I anticipated some big reaction between them...and Cee Cee just completely ignored Seeley and then eventually slithered right over top of him. I noticed your snakes kind of did the same thing!

[guidofatherof5]

When I introduce new snakes into an enclosure the residents go over and smell the visitor.

[EasternGirl]

If I put Hermes up to the outside of Cee Cee or Seeley's tank...he looks at them and they come over to look at him...it's cute.

[RedSidedSPR]

They all were very interested in Oscar, actually, but never as much as the first too introductions, I think because they live with other snakes and kinda used to it, so another isn't all that special.:D If I put them in with my adult they're more interested in the cage then the snake, but my adult is VERY interested in them, and he lives alone (for now)

[kimbosaur]

My girls acted like they've been together forever. They just naturally started sticking together. I usually find them in the same hides.

[RedSidedSPR]

Mine to afterawhile.

he as in "the hide" snugglin' up after 30 minutes, he's already calmer and more secure.

[EasternGirl]

That's awesome...isn't it so cool how garters just love to be with other garters? My Cee Cee and Seeley are always so snuggly together...of course, there is a little something else going on there....Seeley is always tryin to get a little somethin somethin from Cee Cee!

[RedSidedSPR]

Lol

[infernalis]

....Seeley is always tryin to get a little somethin somethin from Cee Cee!

Haven't you figure it out yet, us men are all alike, always thinking with our hemibrain.

[angrygamer]

This camera rocks.

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/9772/s8100tham025.jpg

I love the deadpan serious looks Garters have that says they mean business!

[EasternGirl]

That is an incredible photo...what kind of camera did you get again Jesse?

[ConcinusMan]

Same as mine. Nikon Coolpix. There are many models and price ranges to choose from. Best darn camera under $300 that I've ever used.

[EasternGirl]

Yeah...I think I looked at those...they were a little more than I had in my budget...I got a Canon PowerShot...it was under $100...I like it. But that pic of Jesse's looks amazing!

[ConcinusMan]

The 12-14 megapixel Nikon coolpix models that don't do video, and have lower zoom capabilities are under $100. The photos they take are just as good as the ones we have been showing you. The one I use (S6000) is only about $140 now.

Amazon.com: nikon-coolpix: Electronics (http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=nikon-coolpix&tag=googhydr-20&index=electronics&hvadid=3367026835&ref=pd_sl_13mvag6liu_e)

[RedSidedSPR]

That is an incredible photo...what kind of camera did you get again Jesse?

Nikon coolpix S8100

[EasternGirl]

Nice...well I just bought this one so...I'm going to try it for a while...but I'm bookmarking those.

[RedSidedSPR]

I don't shop at Best Buy, but dad got this thing on a sale for $150 that's really a hell of a deal.

[EasternGirl]

Yeah it is..because I think I saw your model online for over $200...it's sweet. Probably will be my next camera when I have more money.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah it is..because I think I saw your model online for over $200...it's sweet. Probably will be my next camera when I have more money.

That's the normal price yea. Like $250 almost $300 actually

[ConcinusMan]

Mine (s6000) was $289 (camera only) when it was the latest model. I got it on sale so I got the wall charger, case, and SD card with it, all for $250. It's much cheaper now of course, since there are newer, better models out now. I think it's just about bottomed out in price now. Been just over $100 for an unused one, for quite a while now. All I gotta say is, don't go and spend $89 on a crappy camera. Might as well wait until you can spend $50 more and buy a coolpix for $140. It's well worth it. I paid a lot more and still think it's definitely worth every penny even at $200.

[EasternGirl]

My Canon is a decent camera. I like it...it has a lot of great features. I will def try the Coolpix when I want to upgrade but I am happy with this one for now...I think it's a really good camera for the money.

[RedSidedSPR]

I haven't been taking a lot of snake pictures lately... but here's some of the latest.

And excuse the messy cage, it's being cleaned now...

http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/3922/s8100021.jpg

http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/5072/s8100022.jpg

So I've been putting my adult's future room mates in with him a lot lately.... they're probably about ready so whenever we get that cage I'll throw the two guys in there for good.

Actually all 4 babies are in with him while i clean the cage lol

http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/722/s8100099.jpg

This is cool. You wouldn't know, but when I got this snake he had a pale belly, with no orange at all.... only orange was a small line along his side pretty much,and his neck/head area. He's colored up drastically and not only the colors, but the location. He's like, all red now. (flash makes it too bright, but he's legit red....) And he ain't done.
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/4747/s8100122q.jpg

I've been slacking on the snake photo's........................................... .................................................. ...........

[guidofatherof5]

Slacking maybe but making up for it very well.
Good looking snakes.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks

That little background shot of Oscar is about all you'll ever see of him.. lol

[guidofatherof5]

How is your melanistic doing? Eating wise.

[RedSidedSPR]

I don't have a melenistic.

Yet.

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry, I meant your anery "Smoke".

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh. ok, he's actually my best eater now.

[EasternGirl]

Great pics, Jesse...just the cutest face in the world in that first pic! Those eyes are just adorable! They all look great.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks. I should have a video or two up soon as well.

[ConcinusMan]

Slacking maybe but making up for it very well.
Good looking snakes.

Yeah, awesome.

[RedSidedSPR]

Don't think I've ever posted these.

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/335c1c20.jpg

http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o511/k1lljoy_89/861509cc.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/jesse.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Lmao

[mikem]

great photos! i need a decent camera. all i have is the one on my phone.

[RedSidedSPR]

Depending on the phone that's not always a bad thing. O_o

But yes. Lol you do. You have garter snakes -- camera is a must.

[EasternGirl]

Okay that first pic of Red actually made me say "Awww!" out loud. And then Steve's caption made me LOL... I just can't get over Red's big eyes...he has the cutest face.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah he has a bug eyed, cute face. He's growing out of it.

[EasternGirl]

Too bad...it's just so unbelievably adorable. I'm sure he'll always be cute though. :)

[RedSidedSPR]

He was unbelievably bug eyed and funny shaped nose when he was little. I'll have to post pics to show how it's changed.

[Didymus20X6]

4277

[RedSidedSPR]

LOL xD

[RedSidedSPR]

All 3 are finally up, just messing with the windows 7 movie maker, but they turned out pretty good. But damnit, i still can't freaking get it to resize:mad:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC2v6w9KVJo&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=3&amp;feature=plcp


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prx1_MIx6oA&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=2&amp;feature=plcp

Finally got around to uploading Rooster's, that took way too long, sorry.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw4L0Qmya6c

[mikem]

great videos :cool:

[RedSidedSPR]

Why thankee.

[RedSidedSPR]

Both Rooster, and Smoke just shed in what would have had to have been at the exact same freaking time. Of course, I missed it, but I left the cage for like 5 minutes and came back they had both shed.

Would have made a cool video. -______-

[EasternGirl]

I always love watching your videos Jesse. I really loved the part when Rooster was slithering along the branch. They were all fantastic. Your snakes are gorgeous.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks I just took 'em out one day, got a bunch of videos and slapped them together with music that fitted their personalities. I'm getting a new video software really soon then I'll get more serious. Hard to do much with movie maker. :/

[EasternGirl]

Well..it's way more high tech than I could ever do as is...very impressive to me at least.

[RedSidedSPR]

Thought this was cool.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCsVTI0VgJI&amp;list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&amp;index=1&amp;feature=plcp

And DAMNIT someone tell me how to fix that size issue where it's like a box inside the video. Freakin movie maker.

[EasternGirl]

It looks like a little contact lens...

[RedSidedSPR]

ikr jk lol lmao (for chris)

I.E., yes I know. Thought that too.

[guidofatherof5]

Looks like a setting within Movie Maker. I bet if you Google the problems you will find your answer.

[chris-uk]

ikr jk lol lmao (for chris)

I'm good with the last three abbreviations, we were using them in chat rooms before you were born ;) Trouble is with the new evolutions of text/IM abbreviations, the driver behind those is so kids can have conversions without their parents understanding.

I do find it interesting from a language perspective that these abbreviations are still evolving when most of the time kids are tapping them into an iPhone which has predictive text, using unlimited text messages so they aren't limited to 160 characters, or using them online. It all negates the necessity that drove the creation of the language... I digress though.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'll google it.


I'm good with the last three abbreviations, we were using them in chat rooms before you were born ;) Trouble is with the new evolutions of text/IM abbreviations, the driver behind those is so kids can have conversions without their parents understanding.

I do find it interesting from a language perspective that these abbreviations are still evolving when most of the time kids are tapping them into an iPhone which has predictive text, using unlimited text messages so they aren't limited to 160 characters, or using them online. It all negates the necessity that drove the creation of the language... I digress though.

Sometimes it's hard to type out "I know right" or "what the f" when you can just type ikr & wtf.

I'm not like that I spell out "you" and "why" etc, but when I'm in a IM chat room I'm not spelling out sentences that can be trimmed downtown 3 letters and look exactly the same to everyone there. Sometimes I just do it out of habit here.

Wtf, stfu & gtfo.. Ikr.. Those are not worth writing out when everyone knows what it means.

[mikem]

wu? omg inbd. idk my bff jill. tisnf! (from an old cingular commercial)