Fresh shed......

[Cflaguy]

Caught this guy a few months ago for some on this forum who wanted Blues. But he didn't get past my wife, she wants him. He is beautiful. This is the first shed in captivity. The pics are horrible. I'm blaming the camera for them being out of focus. But the colors are real, no enhancements. Hope you enjoy......

[guidofatherof5]

He looks so sad :D

Gorgeous snake.

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow!!!!!!

[kibakiba]

Holy blue! I'd love a beautiful blue snake. That's my favourite colour. :D

[BLUESIRTALIS]

What a nice looking snake! Are you sure it's a male?

[guidofatherof5]

What a nice looking snake! Are you sure it's a male?

Good eye.
I think you are right, FEMALE;)

That 3rd photo clearly shows female. In my opinion.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Is that a Fl blue eastern? I would love to get some high blue easterns like that the only problem is most Fl blue easterns in the pet trade are not all that blue.

[RedSidedSPR]

I know, I'd love one. They're really awesome!.

[Chondro788]

VERY nice!! I can see why your wife wants to keep it!!! :D

[Cflaguy]

What a nice looking snake! Are you sure it's a male?

He/she is still in quaratine. I tend not to handle or bother a snake at this time and I haven't sexed the little booger. I should have while..it...was chewing on me.;0)

I'm looking high and low for another. Unfortunetly that job has ended and I'm not on site. But I do have permission to road cruise from the owner.

[Cflaguy]

Is that a Fl blue eastern? I would love to get some high blue easterns like that the only problem is most Fl blue easterns in the pet trade are not all that blue.


This one was caught in Polk County Fl. I have pics of a DOR that was nice as well. I'm not computer savy or I would link it myself but..... if you look for my threads you'll see some pics of some typical blues I've run across.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

He/she is still in quaratine. I tend not to handle or bother a snake at this time and I haven't sexed the little booger. I should have while..it...was chewing on me.;0)

I'm looking high and low for another. Unfortunetly that job has ended and I'm not on site. But I do have permission to road cruise from the owner.

Looks female to me.;)

[jitami]

Gorgeous little girl! What a deep blue!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

She would go great with my albino fl. blue.

[ConcinusMan]

Didn't we talk about this before Cflaguy? What did I tell you? People are going to go nuts over these and pay / trade just about anything for them. The "florida blue" easterns available in the pet trade are pathetic compared to these and there's no really good source for true blue FL easterns that I know of. You're it.

I had no idea you were even back on the forum. Thought you had disappeared forever. Glad you're back. Now you know, I can't speak for anyone else but now that you showed us the goods, I'm not going to leave you alone until we can make a deal for a pair of these!

You must get out there and get some more of these. We gotta get those bloodlines established in captivity. Heck yes. They are bound to be in that entire area. Probably won't find any during the hottest driest part of the year though.

Please don't tell me this one is going to go the same way that albino northwesterns went. here now, then never seen again.

It all depends on you.:cool:

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I know i would like to have a pair or trio.

[RedSidedSPR]

Who wouldn't?

[jitami]

Who wouldn't?

Exactly... I can be patient and wait for captive bred babies, though.

[ConcinusMan]

And how exactly do you suppose we produce those? I'll tell you how. By getting viable pairs from the wild and breeding them. The key first step being, getting the wild pairs into the hands of a breeder which is what I was getting at.

Oh, and lookie there. I just happen to breed garter snakes. Hmm...:rolleyes:

[kibakiba]

So do lots of other people here, Richard. :rolleyes: ;)

[Cflaguy]

LMAO. My intent with this one was to post here and allow for an "auction" of sorts.. But my wife over rules you guys.:o

I have a hunt/road cruise planned for the USF area in September. The other roadway is now open to traffic and I travel it when I can.

I haven't forgotten you guys. But who gets first dibs?:eek:

[ConcinusMan]

LMAO. My intent with this one was to post here and allow for an "auction" of sorts.

That wouldn't fly here. They really don't allow anything more than an ad stating what you have and the asking price. Everything else is done in private.

I suppose you could say "Or best offer" but if that's what you're going to do, you might as well take it straight to Jeff or Scott and be done with it, because they'll likely outbid all of us if they're interested in what you have.

[Cflaguy]

We'll need to make a list, kinda first come first serve.

[Bart]

She's awesome! It's the first supposedly blue snake I ever saw that is blue for real! You shoud definitely find her a mate and breed them in the name of God and then send one to all of us! I'm serious!

[ConcinusMan]

We'll need to make a list, kinda first come first serve.

If that's the case, there's a few people including myself that have been trying to get these from this guy since the day he joined.:cool:

Last PM I send to him, (months ago) he indicated that the job had ended and he wasn't going out there where they are anymore. Didn't hear from him again until now.

I'm not overly concerned as to whether or not I get any myself, although I'd like to. I just want to see this intense blue line get started/bred in captivity. What they call "FL Blue" in the hobby being bred right now, is pathetic. They don't look blue to me at all.

[ConcinusMan]

She's awesome! It's the first supposedly blue snake I ever saw that is blue for real!

I beg your pardon...

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg834/scaled.php?server=834&filename=blue031large.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg217/scaled.php?server=217&filename=anerymales001large.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg232/scaled.php?server=232&filename=headsup2.jpg&res=medium

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg198/scaled.php?server=198&filename=anerys021large.jpg&res=medium

[RedSidedSPR]

Richard have access to what may be my favorite snake. Blue concinnus.

Thats a NW isn't it? The top? Never seen a blue NW...

[Bart]

I beg your pardon...


Like I said: >I< saw. ;) Still, your snakes, while beautiful, aren't as blue as those we are speaking about. ;) They are more aquamarine in my opinion (two last photos, I mean)...

[ConcinusMan]

The shade of blue with these guys depends on the temperature. That same snake at the bottom is intense sky-blue when fully warmed, pale yellow-green when cold/brumating.;)

[RedSidedSPR]

You mean his body temps?

[ConcinusMan]

Yes

[RedSidedSPR]

Weird...

[ConcinusMan]

Warm:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg217/scaled.php?server=217&filename=anerymales001large.jpg&res=medium

Same snake cold:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=outdoorsnakes023large.jpg&res=medium

They all do this

[RedSidedSPR]

All? As in all concinnus? Or all garters?

[ConcinusMan]

I can only speak for these. When I was keeping sceloporous lizards, they did this too. The blue on them was only blue when they were very warm. Otherwise, it appeared pale and greenish.

[ConcinusMan]

I think it's because the color is the result of light wavelengths being altered by pigment cells. Think of it this way: light hits the cells. Certain wavelengths are absorbed, others reflected. The blue you're seeing is blue light being reflected and hitting your eye. The temperature of those cells is going to have an effect on the exact wavelength that gets reflected. When a snake or lizard is cold, it needs to absorb as much light (heat) as possible. Therefore the cold snake is not reflecting as much blue light as the warm one.

[RedSidedSPR]

Huh... Have you noticed it in the normal concinnus?

[ConcinusMan]

No. But then again, normals aren't reflecting blue, which has a very short wavelength. The slightest alteration in that wavelength will dramatically change the color. Not so with red or orange. It would take a much more dramatic alteration in wavelength before you would notice it with the naked eye.

[RedSidedSPR]

Gotcha...

I love those blue concinnus. They may he my favorite snake...

[Bart]

Still, they seem to have more black that blue. ;)

[ConcinusMan]

Still, they seem to have more black that blue. ;)

Well yeah, in this case it's a mutation and it doesn't affect melanin. It affects yellow/red (orange). (Anerythristic) Takes it away from areas where it should be, leaving behind blue. I think that perhaps the blue is there even in normals, but it's at a deeper level and masked by pigments closer to the surface. Take those away, and it reveals the deeper, blue pigment cells.

[Bart]

So you agree, that OP's snakes are MORE blue? :)

[ConcinusMan]

Sure. I think that the blue in those is at a more superficial level in the skin, and therefore is apparent even in the black areas. (not so with mine) Also, that snake has less black area, making the overall effect even more dramatic. The blue on mine only shows in areas that would normally be orange or yellow.

[kibakiba]

Snap has more blue on her face when she's cooler, than when she's warmer. It's just something I've noticed.

[RedSidedSPR]

Is she a blue? Or is she normal?

[kibakiba]

She's a normal, but she's developing a very blue face.

[RedSidedSPR]

Mine has a completely blue belly, starting at a light green at the chin and getting darker towards the tail... I'll have to see if it's different when he's hot...

[ConcinusMan]

She's a normal, but she's developing a very blue face.

Well, nobody can blame a snake (or person) for inheriting traits from their mother.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2043/bertha003large.jpg

All the light colored facial areas and chin/throat would have been blue-green colored in "moms" younger days. Tends to fade when they get old.:cool:


Mine has a completely blue belly, starting at a light green at the chin and getting darker towards the tail... I'll have to see if it's different when he's hot...

Good. The ones I chose for holdbacks are doing the same thing. I tend to think that some or all could end up looking like this blue baby:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=twobabies016large.jpg&res=medium

Not completely anery but not exactly normal. Who knows, they might just end up looking like their dad after they are a few years old. Blue anery. Time will tell.

[kibakiba]

Was Snaps mom also an ungrateful, selfish, pissy little brat? :p Because, if she was, I'd cut her a little slack with that attitude.

[ConcinusMan]

I literally ROTFLOL on that one. But yes, she is an ungrateful, selfish, pissy little brat. Just older and slower at her age. Love it or leave it. LoL.

[kibakiba]

Haha. Okay, then I guess since she takes after her mom... I have no choice but to love the little brat attitude anyways.

[ConcinusMan]

Haha. Okay, then I guess since she takes after her mom... I have no choice but to love the little brat attitude anyways

As the emperor in Star Wars, said to Luke: "Only now, at the end, do you understand"

Muahahaha!:p

[Mrs N1ntndo]

I can only speak for these. When I was keeping sceloporous lizards, they did this too. The blue on them was only blue when they were very warm. Otherwise, it appeared pale and greenish.


Warm:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg217/scaled.php?server=217&filename=anerymales001large.jpg&res=medium

Same snake cold:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg826/scaled.php?server=826&filename=outdoorsnakes023large.jpg&res=medium

They all do this



Well, nobody can blame a snake (or person) for inheriting traits from their mother.

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/2043/bertha003large.jpg

All the light colored facial areas and chin/throat would have been blue-green colored in "moms" younger days. Tends to fade when they get old.:cool:



Good. The ones I chose for holdbacks are doing the same thing. I tend to think that some or all could end up looking like this blue baby:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=twobabies016large.jpg&res=medium

Not completely anery but not exactly normal. Who knows, they might just end up looking like their dad after they are a few years old. Blue anery. Time will tell.

You know I was ready that part about the changing of the colors and its weird cause Pheobe has a stripe done her spine that changes from a light bluish/teal color right after shedding or when ever but i know for sure after shedding but its weird cause 1 minute shell have a blue stripe(not as bright as any of the bles here but..) then I look at her another minute and its more of the yellowy color. Shes just an Eastern as far as I know.:confused:

Again those are some bueties. My hubby has been looking for a blue snake for a long time but so hard to get one. We dont have an arm and leg to spare for one and that sux but maybe Ill get lucky one day and surprise him huh. That would be cool

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Has anyone came across any of these high blue fl. Easterns? I would still like to pick up a few like the one in the first pic.

[Zdravko092368]

Has anyone came across any of these high blue fl. Easterns? I would still like to pick up a few like the one in the first pic.

Four years later since you first posted... the struggle is real with garters haha. Hope you find one, I won't even take a shot at finding one as pretty as the OPs.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

It's just very hard to find high quality fl. Blue easterns in the hobby and i would love to work with some.
four years later since you first posted... The struggle is real with garters haha. Hope you find one, i won't even take a shot at finding one as pretty as the ops.

[Tommytradix]

117311173211733

[Tommytradix]

11734