the small advise?

[neutron]

what am I?:rolleyes:

http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/alben/05/2536205/3431373732383366.jpg


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[ssssnakeluvr]

looks like an eastern garter, thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis

[RedSidedSPR]

A pretty one.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It's definitely some kind of sirtalis but it doesn't look like any baby easterns I have seen. Looks like pickeringii... Or possibly a sirtalis cross.

[RedSidedSPR]

I was think pickeringii (or however u spell it)

[kibakiba]

I was also thinking pickeringii. But, at the same time, it doesn't. The next thing that came to mind was a hybrid. Maybe t. s. sirtalis x t. s. pickeringii?

Dunno, just woke up.

[neutron]

you are good:D
are "pure" Thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii, was the first year where the offspring is successful, six healthy worm`s!!:)
All in yellow and orange and blue stripes
mother pickeringii "blue" X father pickeringii "orange"

I hope they get the great color:D

[ConcinusMan]

I don't think it's pure. Looks to have been mixed with other sirtalis at some point in the bloodlines or the I.D. of the father is mistaken. There are no natural "orange" pickeringi that I have ever heard of. It's probably pickeringi X T. sirtalis sirtalis(or hybrid sirtalis) if there's pickeringi in it at all. Just my opinion.


I was also thinking pickeringii. But, at the same time, it doesn't. The next thing that came to mind was a hybrid. Maybe t. s. sirtalis x t. s. pickeringii?

Dunno, just woke up.

That's what it appears to be to me also, Chantel.

There's a lot of hybridizing going on over there that you guys aren't even aware of, and too many people misidentifying subspecies, resulting in intentional, or unintentional hybrids. Then those hybrids get labeled as one species or another, because that's the best guess. Precisely why I don't want to see people doing it on purpose. I don't like trying to guess what species/subspecies a garter is, and with that one, I have to guess. That's why I think it's a hybrid. A "mutt" sirtalis is what it appears to be to me. It has pickeringi and T. sirtalis sirtalis characteristics but that's just a guess. If it were pure, I wouldn't have to guess. I would know precisely what it is.

[kibakiba]

Well, the only reason why I thought hybrid is because the face really throws me off. And the colour. The head shape looks like all the pickeringi, and the colour looks like an easterns possible colouring. I cant see an orange pickeringi ever being produced without hybridizing, honestly. I know they come in reds, blues, greens and possibly light yellows (as in very light), but no oranges.

[ConcinusMan]

Well that's what I'm saying. There's conflicting features. Impossible to say it's an eastern or a puget. That's why I say hybrid. has to be. Now, hybrid between what two snakes? one can only guess and that's where the trap is with hybrids. You just don't know.