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So, ladies and gentelmen, behold, Isis! She just arrived (early in the morning). She's smaller than Kleo (maybe 40 cm), as thick as her (maybe even little thicker) but her head is smaller than Kleo's. It didn't prevent her to eat a pinkie though (scented, but she would eat it anyway), just after she ate a smelt. Yes, didn't try with earthworm yet, but she probably wouldn't hesitate to eat it as well. And everything just one hour after arrival. We'll be very proud of that girl, especially, that Kleo AND Amon decided to shed in the same time (both have blue eyes), so Bart didn't have any baby to feed and feeding his babies is the essence of his life!
Sorry for photos' quality; gonna make a better one later.
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kibakiba
07-20-2011, 03:37 AM
Looks like a happy little snake.
Yup, she's like noming machine. :D Why are you not sleeping, Chantel? :) Isn't in America very late right now?
kibakiba
07-20-2011, 03:43 AM
The power went out for about an hour, and I'm scared of the dark... So I sat up with a flashlight, reading a book for the first time in 3 years :) The power just came back on about 10 minutes ago!
What time you have there?
Poor Chantel... ;)
kibakiba
07-20-2011, 03:57 AM
It's 3 am. I have insomnia now, haha. But, I was about to exercise away the extra energy I had right as the power went out. My luck is perfect ;)
Insomnia, yup, having this for 10 years now. I'm a pro.
Anyway, Isis is very active, way more than Kleo; she's here and there, looking everywhere, drinking, eating, wow, she's a perfect snake!
kibakiba
07-20-2011, 04:06 AM
Sounds like... Well, none of my snakes right now. :D They all are a big feast of food today. Thumbelina is like that, though. He just plows through everything, especially babies. Luckily, he's a tiny guy. ;)
Nah, she probably doesn't like her cage and wants to get out. Glad she's eating in the process though.
kibakiba
07-20-2011, 04:35 AM
She'll get used to it and come to appreciate you a lot more.
Well, she doesn't look like being afraid of me. She isn't shy or jumpy. She just wants to get out! :) But yeah, soon she'll stop, just as Kleo did.
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 06:29 AM
Shes just settling in. Glad she came!! Good looking snake! Glad she's eating, not all do that soon after arrival ;)
not all do that soon after arrival ;)
Really?! No! It never crossed my mind!!
But srsly, I know about that. ;) I remember my 3 days long lurking next to Kleo's cage, waiting for her to eat - LIVE guppie! :)
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 06:39 AM
OK....
Oh yeah, I forgot - Kleo has now a new neighbor! And yes, she's staring at Isis, but she has blue eyes right now and I understand that snakes see worse than normally, so... Let's wait for Kleo's shed.
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 06:47 AM
They're pretty much blind. I think that's one thing that keeps a lot from eating and stuff. They can't see through all that blue.
so Kleos cage is in between both others?
Yes. Now she has Amon to the right and Izi to the left (she had Amon to the left before).
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 07:00 AM
So why'd ya switch it up? So she'd watch Isis?
Yes and no. :) I rearranged Amon's cage, so now his hide is on the other side. Because he needs the lamp above his hideout, it was easily to switch the sites of cages.
guidofatherof5
07-20-2011, 07:21 AM
Congrats on your new addition to your family.
Looks like Isis is settling in nicely.
BLUESIRTALIS
07-20-2011, 07:23 AM
Congrats! Glad to see she is eating already.
d_virginiana
07-20-2011, 09:49 AM
Good looking snake, it's good that she's eating right away :)
Haha, I think maybe they're always trying to escape. It's like their favorite activity or something...
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 09:53 AM
yeah, it is. My anery baby has discovered that he can stick to the glue going up the glass, and totaly stick to the wall/glue. :D He almost reached the top and then fell. but he keep trying again.
She's much calmer now.
Funny thing is, that even when she was trying to escape, she happily ate what I did offer. :) Anyway, Kleo poked the fence once or twice, then let it go. Izy (this is now official short name of Isis) is still trying. ;) Kleo is much like Amon; most of the time lying in her hide - she goes out when she's hungry, lay on the root (under the heat source) to speed up her digesting process and stare at water dish, when she really wants to eat. Izy is nothing like that. But it's her first day at school. :)
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 10:05 AM
She seems to be adapting well. That's good. She's a keeper :D
Yes, she is. Few minutes ago I offered her very small smelt. She ate it without hestitation. So, today she ate: 2 small smelts, one pinkie. How often should I feed her? She's around 40 cm long.
Oh, and RedSidedSPR:
If toast lands butter-side down, and cats always land on their feet,
what happens if you strap toast on the back of a cat and drop it?
That's an easy one, Dexter. :) Antigravity engine. :)
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 10:20 AM
Wow, you copied/pasted my signature as i changed it... close one. :D
I feed my baby snakes very little peices, so it gets digested faster, and i can feed them the next day or two I think they grow faster with really frequent feeding.
i really don't know how to answer that.... but adult eats twice a week, but eats a lot every time, my babies eat almost every day, and eat a lot, but very small easy to digest peices...
I think a good meal 3 times a week or something like that would work.... feed her when she's hungry.
guidofatherof5
07-20-2011, 10:22 AM
Feeding a garter when they are hungry means twice a day:D
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 10:31 AM
I said hungry, not wanting food :D:D There's a differnce :D
just forget i said anything :rolleyes:
guidofatherof5
07-20-2011, 10:58 AM
I said hungry, not wanting food :D:D There's a differnce :D
Not to a hungry garter snake wanting food:D
They don't know the difference and they don't care. Little pigs:D
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 11:04 AM
But WE (or I ) know the difference!!!! Never mind. =/
guidofatherof5
07-20-2011, 11:33 AM
But WE (or I ) know the difference!!!! Never mind. =/
Just joking around.
If you took it differently I apologize;)
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 11:36 AM
I know you were... Nothing comes out right with me. I seriously need to start using SMILEYS :D :D :D :D
God, I can't imagine Izy, when she's bigger than Amon (and she sure will be). It will be like a bucket without a bottom. :D:D Tell me again, why I love the idea? :D
RedSidedSPR
07-20-2011, 12:09 PM
Cause it's frickin' awesome
jitami
07-20-2011, 05:20 PM
Congrats on your new baby! Izy is adorable!
When I was gone, my mother was in my house to keep things in their places - and she told me, that Izy fled few times. I didn't believe her, but guess what - today I found my Izy hidden behind Amon's cage! Lol wut! So it was true! Anyway, Izy ate a smelt, so it's OK, I guess... I did of course some steps to keep Izy in her closure.
RedSidedSPR
07-28-2011, 01:35 PM
How was she getting out?
She levered the net that is covering her cage I guess. I didn't see how she did it though.
RedSidedSPR
07-28-2011, 02:06 PM
They're awesome that way.
Yup, she's doing it all day long alright, searching for gaps I mean. ;) Anyway, my mom catched her in the half way when she was doing it. :) She said (my mother I mean) that she's cute (Izy, I mean) and my mom isn't a snake person; she said that Amon is disgusting. :P:P:P:P Well, if a person who doesn't like snakes at all is saying that garters are cute and crafty - they really must be! :) Like I said before, I find garters adorable like kittens and it seems I'm not the only one! :D
Izy ate another smelt, this time quite big.
Sorry for writing such things, but if I can't remember when my snakes ate for the last time, I'm checking here. :D
guidofatherof5
07-29-2011, 08:42 AM
Nothing wrong with your updates.;)
RedSidedSPR
07-29-2011, 08:55 AM
No, there's not. I enjoy them.
Put it this way. If someone DOESN'T want to read them, they won't.
But for most of us, we enjoy them, and I'm guessing you do too, so... keep 'em coming.
Today's Izy's score: a pinkie and a smelt. I told you, we are gonna be very proud of her. :D
RedSidedSPR
08-02-2011, 06:35 AM
Awesome!
guidofatherof5
08-02-2011, 06:43 AM
Sweet.
Nice going Izy.;)
She isn't always hungry as I expected though - she's eating once for three days, but in that gap she'll eat until she's full and will eat anything, even if she didn't swallow properly her previous meal yet! Still didn't try with worm however; I'm too lazy to go and dig some and I don't see any sense in buying whole box (one or two will be eaten and the rest will die).
RedSidedSPR
08-02-2011, 10:46 AM
Why not buy them? They're $3 for 20 here, and they live for 6 years.
Well, I heard that the way they are stocked makes them toxic - and I don't want to start next farm - with worms this time. :P And srsly, I don't see the point of feeding Izy with them, when she's eating pinkies and smelts...
RedSidedSPR
08-02-2011, 11:16 AM
I have a little deli cup DMF bait container from walamrt, that came stocked with 20 worms, for $3. They last FOREVER. Before my snakes ate them, I had one that lated 3 months. Just alittle tiny box in my fridge.
Fist of all, we have to check if Izy likes them. :)
RedSidedSPR
08-02-2011, 12:46 PM
Well, $3 bucks to see, and that'll last you awhile to see if she starts eating them later on.
Yup, Izy fled again. This time she went off snakes' place and wandered all over my apartment. After 1 hour of intensive search, I already was sure, that she entered the place I cannot find her, but then, bam! I see a tip of snake's tail just behind my workout bike. Ha! Back to the cage, baby!
kibakiba
08-04-2011, 01:29 AM
You show her whose the boss! Hehehe.
It seems that runaway's escape was very exhausting, becase Izy ate a small smelt. :P
Yep, RedSidedSPR, Izy likes worms all right. :P I went to the forest to get one and voilla - Izy's noming it like crazy.
Didymus20X6
08-04-2011, 03:51 AM
I've had a box of nightcrawlers last for 3 months before. I bought it in late fall, and after the snakes went off food, I put it in the crisper drawer until spring. Still fresh and crawling around. A bit puny, but nothing a bit of water couldn't cure.
RedSidedSPR
08-04-2011, 08:21 AM
I know they last a long time. Glad she likes them, now buy some!:)
Izy's about to shed - her eyes went blue. Because of this occasion she's grumpy and timid as never before, she even musked at me (or peed - I'm not sure when it's musk or pee), when I was checking if she's hungry!
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 06:44 AM
Sheddin will do that :D
Snakes don't pee.
They don't? :confused: And I was sure that this white thingy that looks like calcium when it is dry is snake's urine!
guidofatherof5
08-07-2011, 06:54 AM
Garter snake poop is such a special gift.
Their feces is actual a combo of solid(yeah, right) and liquid.
You get both for the price of one.
The feces(poop) and urates(peep) are stored together so only one action is neccessary.
Now isn't that convenient:D
Good to know. :) I heard that musk actually smells awful. But this thing that Izy shot at me didn't smell very much if anything - it was a white liquid, so what: is it poo? :D
guidofatherof5
08-07-2011, 07:09 AM
I'm guessing poo. If it where musk you'd have know it.
It has a smell all it's own and quite unforgettable.
Many have tried to describe the smell of musk, it's not easy.
You'll know it when it happens:D Oh, you'll know it.:D
Honestly speaking, I don't want to know. ;)
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 07:21 AM
Its not THAT bad...
:D
guidofatherof5
08-07-2011, 07:38 AM
It's all part of keeping them.
Smelling is one thing but having it tail-whipped into you mouth is another:D
The joy's of keeping garter snakes.;)
kibakiba
08-07-2011, 07:56 AM
Garters do pee, it's just wet to semi solid, white and gritty urates. By semi solid, I mean that in tanks where it's had the water absorbed, or something, it is very solid-like. Right out of the garter's cloaca it's pretty wet. :p I'd say if there was no brown or a like colour, it was pee.
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 11:14 AM
Well, they DO, but you know what I meant.
Apparently Izy doesn't care that she's shedding - and she ate a smelt.
Just for the record - did your snakes musked at you ever? I'm talking about your pet snakes, not caught like 5 seconds ago.
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 01:52 PM
When I caught my first garter, my adult red sided male, he bit me about a million time. Barely exaggerating :p There wasn't an inch of my hand not bleeding from all those little punctures. So naturally, I thought "he's a keeper":D
And yes. He musked me. A lot:D
He's never bitten me again, and only mucked a few times after I caught him. He's a very nice snake now.
I'm wondering, what triggers garters to musk. My Izy poops at me frequently and even Kleo did that once, but they never musked at me. I understad that they can poop as a danger response, but why they don't musk? I'm curious.
guidofatherof5
08-07-2011, 02:07 PM
I'm wondering, what triggers garters to musk. My Izy poops at me frequently and even Kleo did that once, but they never musked at me. I understad that they can poop as a danger response, but why they don't musk? I'm curious.
Probably just the degree of danger as they perceived it.
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 02:11 PM
Sometimes I think it's the snakes personal preference.:D ive caught a lot of snakes of the same kind, where one will musk and nothing else, and others bite etc and don't musk...
I really don't know.
Probably just the degree of danger as they perceived it.
Gee, it seems my babies don't consider me as a serious threat. Am I so harmless? :confused: I'm such a failure as a dangerous predator! :o
snakehill
08-07-2011, 02:18 PM
This is a GOOD thing!:D
RedSidedSPR
08-07-2011, 02:53 PM
No, it's the fact that they think your such a huge threat, musking is useless. :D Pooping on you is much better defense.
kibakiba
08-07-2011, 04:46 PM
Snakey musked on me for the first time in 3 years... He didn't even musk when I caught him! He was always a good boy.... But when I "musked" on him, he did too and got reaaallly scared. :D
Izy shed this morning perfectly.
kibakiba
08-10-2011, 06:53 AM
Awesome news! I'm glad she's doing well in your care. :D
RedSidedSPR
08-10-2011, 06:58 AM
What she said.
Gotta wait with food a day or so, because she really needs to eat a pinkie (or maybe small fuzzy); she didn't eat any solid stuff for days; only smelts (and one worm).
RedSidedSPR
08-10-2011, 08:16 AM
Wait so she's hungry? Or wait till you have pinkies?
Well, she's not THAT hungry to eat a pinkie, but she would happily eat a smelt. ;) So I have to wait.
RedSidedSPR
08-10-2011, 09:39 AM
Gotcha. You could scent it with smelt...
Gotcha back! She doesn't care about scenting. :)
RedSidedSPR
08-10-2011, 09:49 AM
Gotcha. Weird.
Ok, Izy ate a fuzzy yesterday.
guidofatherof5
08-12-2011, 12:33 PM
Good for Izy.
RedSidedSPR
08-12-2011, 12:49 PM
Izy rocks. :D
So I woke up today and decided to buy a live mouse for Amon (and worms for Izy), who still doesn't eat. Just wanted to be sure if he would try to eat live one (trust me, it wasn't an easy decision, I was fighting with myself for a week, but eventually my worries won). So I went to a pet store and bought one mouse (male), some sawdust, a mouse circuit, water dish and mouse food - just in case. Amon didn' eat a mouse, so now I have one, probably to the end of his days (won't try to give him to Amon again, but his sawdust can be handy when scenting frozen mice). I just wanted one Thamnophis and now I have three snakes, fish tank and a rodent.
Now, why it's in Izy's thread. It's because I was so focused on Amon, that I didn't check Izy's cage! When I did that, bam! No Izy! I checked under her root and nothing! So The Search began. After few hours Izy still wasn't found. Because the door to my balcony was open, I was worried, that she escaped outside (and fell from third level, because I searched a balcony too). I was so desperate, that I put some flour on the floor to track her! Because Izy wasn't there, her cage was open. In desperation I checked again under a root, a substrate... And picked up a water dish! LOL, she was there, perfectly curled! OMG, so much relief! Don't ask me why I didn't check it earlier. Just... don't. Probably because she never done that before.
So, end of the story.
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Sorry for the glass; I cleaned this tank today, but it seems I did it not accurately enough - it needs some chemicals, because there were guppies for a few months and some kind of rocky deposit started to settle, probably calcium from the floor of a tank (little rocks).
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She was under this!
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RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 07:18 AM
That was a fun update!
Wow, you may be the first snake keeper to keep a mouse for anything other than food.:D
That store (izy one) reminds me of when the happened to me! I had left the cage open, he was "gone" I was looking, ad then out of desperation looked in the cage again. I set his favorite tree hide out on the desk, looked everywhere. But as I was reaching for the hide, he was sticking his head out.:eek: Tunrs out the was a fault in the design, where this crack led up into a branch. Litterally impossible to see into.
That hide is no longer in there.
Great story, bro! Never underestimate the power of snakes to hide.
Izy digged in two worms. Along with some substrate.
Mysteriously, Amon's eyes went blue. I think he's going to shed! But it wasn't even a month yet, when he shed last time!
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 09:46 AM
That happens sometimes. Mine once shed twice in one week!!!:eek:
I wonder if it has something to do with his lack of appetite.
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 09:48 AM
I wouldn't be surprised. I also wouldn't be surprised if he ate the day he shed.
Last time I had to wait one day, so I think I'll wait.
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 10:03 AM
Right I was just saying.:p Your right, its good to wait.
Wow, my new mouse doesn't even try to escape (the cage is open). We love animals that don't try to escape... :rolleyes: I reinwented his cage, so he has two levels now - one with the circuit and "sleeping room" and the other with water and food. So litte work, so much more space for... hmmm... Let's think about it. How about Lucky? :D He's adorable. I can't imagine how people can take such nice balls of fur and put them into cages with snakes... Oh, wait... :rolleyes: Anyway, I hope that adult Izy won't escape and eat him one day!
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 12:01 PM
It'd be worth it if you caught it on film!:D
You mean Izy eating Lucky alive?
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 12:03 PM
Yes...:o but I was kidding.
Nah, he'll be long dead and in Amon's stomach before Izy is grown enough. I mean, mice live like 2 years or so and at his funeral Amon will be the witness. :)
And I know you were just kidding. ;)
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 12:08 PM
Whoop, lucky died, here ya go Amon!:D
RedSidedSPR
08-19-2011, 12:17 PM
Such respect.
Hmm, just a thought. How big Izy can get? And how big redsided females are usually?
guidofatherof5
08-20-2011, 10:31 AM
Red Sided females can easily reach 91cm and larger.
So 91 cm is their usual size?
guidofatherof5
08-20-2011, 11:05 AM
So 91 cm is their usual size?
I would say that is an average size female.
Thank you very much, Steve!
RedSided, if I'm correct, you have only males, right? How big are they?
PS. Yes, I'm obsessed with sizes. I'm collecting my snakes due to their sizes, 120 cm max. :) I like small ones. I'm thinking about Miami corn, because they are like 3 feet or something like that.
RedSidedSPR
08-20-2011, 02:55 PM
RedSided, if I'm correct, you have only males, right? How big are they?
I'd like to get some females, and eventually breed in the future, but yup. only males. That's my preferred sex (when i can only keep one) when it comes to garter snakes, not because of size, but because of a lot of things including appearance. (yeah I know)
Right now 3 out of 4 are between 8-11 inches.:D only a few months old... that doest mean anything, cause they are growing fast!
But my adult is 21 inches and still growing.
My concinnus is younger than all my babies, yet he's bigger than all. He's grown four inches in a month, and is now 11 inches. He should easily reach 2.5 feet.
Obviously males stay smaller...
So, official lenght of Izy is circa 47 cm (I used a program that RedSidedSPR has provided). Izy doesn't have appetite for 4 days (the last things she ate were two worms). Is it normal for such "big" snakes to not wanting food for 4 days? I'm wondering if this has something to do with the substrate she ate during swallowing the worms.
I measured Kleo and Amon also. Amon's circa 70 cm and Kleo's 58. Because she's lacking some of her tail, I counted that she should have, oh wow, circa 68 cm! Now that's a big girl!
RedSidedSPR
08-23-2011, 07:11 AM
Sweet!
So, nobody answered my question, so I'll ask it again. Is this safe for snake that large to not eating for 5 days now? I mean, she's not obviously a baby anymore, but should I worry?
katach
08-23-2011, 02:27 PM
One of my females (about the same size) didn't eat for 3weeks and she eats like a pig now, They go off food sometimes. I only feed our adult snakes once a week. I wouldn't worry yet.
Thanks! Izy isn't a baby anymore, but still, she isn't an adult obviously. That's why I asked. I wouldn't be worried about fat big female. ;)
RedSidedSPR
08-23-2011, 03:44 PM
My snake just ate for the first time in 3 freaking months!!!
5 days is not biggie.:D
nickermaker87
08-23-2011, 04:03 PM
Lol, I like how you got stuck having to keep a feeder mouse. We caught a Mormon racer awhile back that would not eat, so his potential meal became a pet (we took the racer back to where we found him and turned him back out). Our baby snow corn decided she didn't like pinkies, so we got a green anole purely for the purpose of scenting pinkies for her, then sending him on his way once she was eating again. Well, scenting worked on the first try, and he was so cute that we got him a girlfriend and set up a nice permanent habitat for him. Ha. Damn feeders all have to be so endearing.
Izy still doesn't eat properly. A few days ago she ate a small worm and today she hunted down and has ate a swordtail, but that's it. Hope she'll get her usual apetite soon!
RedSidedSPR
09-02-2011, 09:27 AM
I don't think it's anything to worry about. I'm sure shell come out of it.
ConcinusMan
09-04-2011, 05:09 PM
No biggie. Just about any well fed snake is going to go through times, sometimes lasting a month or more, when it just doesn't want or need to eat. Especially in mid summer or when the day length is getting shorter (which it is right now) It's normal.
Still, she's quite young. She's 48 cm...
ConcinusMan
09-05-2011, 12:43 PM
Sounds like just the right time for this. Perfectly normal for them to eat like pigs and grow very fast up until around this point. Then a long fast or barely eating and slowed growth. After a month or two, they start up again and growth/eating increases. It's really just a natural cycle. Normally they would brumate during the lull but it's not absolutely necessary. I wouldn't worry. This might last a month or two but eating and growth will pick up again.
So my girls at last have a new home. It seems Izy likes it, because she immediately ate a worm. Kleo's OK too, but she haven't eaten offered swordtail (live one!) - she ate a few days ago enormous hopper though, so it isn't a strange nor bad thing.
They are OK with each other, can't see any aggresion between them. Sometimes they even curl around themselves.
Amon's still fasting. In a hardcore way - Lucky the Mouse spent a whole night with him and has survived this experiment.
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RedSidedSPR
09-09-2011, 08:23 AM
Awesome! Do they like eachother?
Oh yeah, not that Izy's eating properly (she probably doesn't know, that ramadan's over!) or a move prevented her of trying to escape her new cage! :P
Awesome! Do they like eachother?
Like I wrote, I can't see any aggresion. They look at each other very suspiciously (famous Kleo's stare!), but it seems they are OK with sharing a cage.
RedSidedSPR
09-09-2011, 08:28 AM
Cool! Izy is smaller than I thought. Or Kleo is bigger.:D
guidofatherof5
09-09-2011, 08:34 AM
Do I understand that a live mouse was in with your snake overnight?
Never a good idea. Snakes can be killed or injured by live prey.
Here is a Fox snake I adopted after she lost both eye to a mouse that was left in its enclosure.
Just thought you should know.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/blind.jpg
Kleo's like 58 (she should have 67-68 but she's lacking the tip of her tail alas) and Izy's 48. Kleo's also thicker, but not very much though. The main difference is in the size of their heads. As you can see, Kleo's twice as big as Izy's. Kleo may be thin, but her head is quite big and she can swallow a much larger meal that Izy (Izy: big pinky, Kleo a hopper).
Do I understand that a live mouse was in with your snake overnight?
Never a good idea. Snakes can be killed or injured by live prey.
Here is a Fox snake I adopted after she lost both eye to a mouse that was left in its enclosure.
Just thought you should know.
I know it's dangerous but I didn't sleep all night, so I was monitoring the situation. Plus I was 99% certain that Amon won't eat nor attack Lucky - but I was desperate and wanted to be sure. This won't happen again, I promise.
Lol, check this out:
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For those who can't see a difference - Kleo's below and Izy's above. :)
RedSidedSPR
09-09-2011, 08:58 AM
I've never seen Iz's red.:) purdy.
You knew it, it's you who told me she's T. sirtalis parientalis, not ordinary sirtalis. ;) Should change my signature though...
RedSidedSPR
09-09-2011, 09:02 AM
Yeah, but I've never seen the color.
Oh... OK. ;) Anyway, you can see a difference in their thickness. Izy may be shorter but surely she isn't much thinner. ;)
RedSidedSPR
09-09-2011, 09:21 AM
Yeah I noticed!
Mrs N1ntndo
09-09-2011, 10:11 AM
If you still have the mouse you should get a female mouse and then soon you can have some pinkies that you dont have to pay for. I was thinking about doing that some point down the line cause it seems cheaper in the long run when it comes to pnkies. That is just an idea.
BLUESIRTALIS
09-09-2011, 10:42 AM
If you still have the mouse you should get a female mouse and then soon you can have some pinkies that you dont have to pay for. I was thinking about doing that some point down the line cause it seems cheaper in the long run when it comes to pnkies. That is just an idea.
I bred my own mice before and i will never do that again. If you figure up all the food and bedding and the adult mice you have to buy it cost about as much and you don't get a lot of pinkies and you can't control when you get them either. The smell will kill you if you don't change the cage every other day of course i did have 6 females to 1 male in each colony. The only benefit i gained was having extra small 1 day old live pinks for my small milksnakes.
I agree. Lucky smells awful and it's just one mouse. I had a few in the past and they were smelling horribly. The only reason I'm keeping Lucky is that Amon didn't eat him. That's one. :) Two: only Izy eats small pinks (well, she used to!), but now they are kinda too small for her (if she's actually eating, I give her fuzzies) - Kleo eats fuzzies and hoppers and Amon - big hoppers and adult mice. So there's no point in breeding mice in my case. Cheers. ;)
Mrs N1ntndo
09-09-2011, 11:39 AM
I bred my own mice before and i will never do that again. If you figure up all the food and bedding and the adult mice you have to buy it cost about as much and you don't get a lot of pinkies and you can't control when you get them either. The smell will kill you if you don't change the cage every other day of course i did have 6 females to 1 male in each colony. The only benefit i gained was having extra small 1 day old live pinks for my small milksnakes.
I used to have 2 rats at one point a while ago and they were having babies left and right. I got them young and once they were old enough which didnt take long they were have like 8-10 babies at a time. It was crazy. I had to get rid of them because after 2 years with having them and even though we were holding them all the time they had gotten really aggressive and so they went to my cousin which kept them for another year and bred them for a bit cause they had a small snake and they ended up using the rats as food after that year cause they had gotten even more aggressive. It was a bummer too cause the male rat grew from about 5-6 inches to the size of a double decker huge burrito. He was huge and that was when I gave him to my cousin. I had no problem taking care of them. I have never taken care of mice before just rats so I dont know if they are the same as in for care but thats cool. I know I wont be doing it know but at some point maybe who knows it is just an idea.
Ok, day one. It seems that Izy doesn't pay a lot of attention about Kleo, but Kleo surely does! My beloved baby looks at Izy when she moves and keeps tracking about her movement. A few times I was worried that Kleo will actually bite Izy, but it never happened. Kleo was just rushing to look closer. ;) Anyway, they kept their normal behaviour. Kleo's moving only when she needs a new spot to sit and Izy is everyhere! The funny thing is, Izy is way more jumpy than Kleo. Kleo's so much tame, that she has barely moved, when I was relocating her to the new cage - in the case of Izy's, she was jumpy as always. My God, there's something wrong with that picture - ribbon calmer than her roommate, garter. Anyone dares to explain?
guidofatherof5
09-09-2011, 02:15 PM
You just have a good ribbon there. Lucky.;)
Steve, you know that I call "Lucky" every feeder animal that is not eaten by my snakes, right? ;) But eventually, they all get devoured. ;)
Izy ate two small guppies. She has ignored a smelt though. I'm wondering if she eats those live fish simply because it's fun or because she refuses to eat anything else. Well, there was a time she was eating everything...
kibakiba
09-23-2011, 05:09 AM
Well, she is a woman. ;)
I decided to sacrifice my two quite big molly fish. Kleo was wandering aroud but suprisingly she wasn't interesed at first. Then Izy went in. She ignored a nightcrawler and smelts though. She grabbed a molly but it has slipped out from her mouth to the ground. Luckily she still was interested in eating it. Then Kleo decided to act. She catched another molly and has started to eat it. When molly slipped again out of Izy's mouth - she left it and went for Kleo's molly! She grabbed the fish that Kleo was eating on the other side (it would be a tail). I had to intervene at this point, because it could end up with Izy being swallowed by Kleo. But Izy was in the eating mood now and nothing could stop her, so she grabbed offered molly instead (the one she has left) enthusiastically. Both my snakes swallowed happily their meal and it's the end of story. ;)
Oh yeah, Amon shed yesterday. His personal Ramadan is continuing though. 69 days by now. :[
guidofatherof5
09-28-2011, 05:53 AM
Nice job Molly fish. Taking it for the team :D
RedSidedSPR
09-28-2011, 06:57 AM
Jeez. Sounds like my flame.
Only not as bad.:rolleyes:
Are you talking about molly fight or Amon's fast?
RedSidedSPR
09-28-2011, 07:33 AM
Exited during feeding time. Check out my J's garter snake thread I just made a post about that.
Amons fast still isnt as bad as my adults though!
Well, Izy isn't VERY exited - she doesn't eat properly yet. But she can't resist the opportunity of fish hunt and when she gets that mode - she'll not stop until the fish is in her belly. ;) That's the main difference between her and Amon - she's fasting BUT will eat live fish. ;) I think she just likes the thrill of hunting (she won't take scented food, even if it's the same molly that she hunted down) in the water (she ignores live night crawlers right now as well).
RedSidedSPR
09-28-2011, 07:49 AM
Right, that's why I said that. I swear, you will never see a more crazed, hyper, exited, freaking snake than my flame when you put live fish in there!
Yeah, I think it's more about having fun than actually eating...
So I'm sure now - Izy loves Kleo! When her big sister goes to another hide, Izy is following her! OMG, it's so cute! I found them today morning, when they were acting like clones, I mean Kleo was at her root looking around and Izy has copied her every move and pose. :) They are so much fun together.
Also, let me introduce you my new baby. it's a corn snake, anery. She's 2 years old and 89 cm large. She's small, but she's awesome. I hope she'll get along with Amon one day, but right now she has her own tank. Her name's Nefretete (Nefri).
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/723047/817718/nefretete1.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/723047/491700/nefretete2.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/723047/625133/nefretete3.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/723047/940731/zzzzz.jpg
I hope you like her. ;)
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/ujxmf5/)
RedSidedSPR
09-30-2011, 01:05 PM
Thats how my flame and anery are, always together, following tonanother hide.
She's awesome! Can you house corns with house snakes?
Well, they have similiar housing conditions... As far as I know, Nefri was housed with other corns and she didn't hurt them (she wasn't cannibalistic). As for Amon, he's way too small to hurt her (he didn't hurt Kleo when he had a chance). I'll try baby steps. Maybe they will get along just fine. Anyway, she's very docile and fine snake. I think she won't hurt Amon (if they get together fine, they will be living in a very big tank, like 120x50x40). But right now they live separate. I just want to be sure.
RedSidedSPR
09-30-2011, 01:17 PM
I don't know about that, but your call.
She's purdy.
Like I said, I'll make baby steps. If I'll see any aggression from both sides, the experiment will over.
guidofatherof5
09-30-2011, 01:25 PM
Very docile and fine is good but when it comes to being housed with a different species you must be extra careful.
Yes, Steve, you're right. I know it's nothing like Kleo - Izy team. ;) They have their own separate tanks and if I have any reason to suspect there's something wrong, they will end up in separate tanks. I'm quite good when it comes to observations and I believe that I can recognise there's something wrong with this picture. Let me assure you, I will do my best to check if they can be housed together. Baby steps, like I said. A few months will pass when I even consider to place them in one tank! I was waiting few months to join Kleo and Izy - I'm not a "rush guy", believe me. I can be very patient...
I'm concerned you guys got the wrong picture... I wouldn't do ANYTHING that would threat my snakes... It was just a long shot with joining Nefri with Amon. It won't happen in a next few months if anytime. I have to learn more about Nefri.
PS. I just found that Lucky the Mouse makes some kind of trips when I'm sleeping. I found several poops in my aquarium (when I was cleaning it up) that without any doubt belong to Lucky. But he always return to his cage before I wake up. Sneaky little beast! Pooping in Izy's plate, that little toad!
guidofatherof5
10-01-2011, 01:38 PM
I think the concern is with the option of just not housing them together.
There can be no problems if they don't live together.
Just my thoughts.
Well, Steve, they won't as far as I'm concerned. I've never put them together and I probably never will. Yes, I'm toying with that thought, but it probably never happen. I'm really not the guy who's risking lives of my own pets (sorry for the word: "pets"). I know Amon quite well - now I'm trying to know Nefri better. I spent huge amount of money to get Nefri's tank (she has the biggest) - and if I was reckless I wouldn't even bother... Really, trust me. ;)
guidofatherof5
10-01-2011, 01:49 PM
No offense meant by my post.
I am sure you will do what's best for your animals.
No offence taken, really. It's just my low knowlege of english that makes some misunderstandings... Gotta work on this one...
Anyway, I would like to make a statement... This community and forum have the best atmosphere I've ever met on the internet. Really, it's the warmest place I've ever been. Really. I'm happy to be just a part of it...
guidofatherof5
10-01-2011, 02:13 PM
I must agree. This was the first forum I ever joined.
I started with the best.
RedSidedSPR
10-01-2011, 02:59 PM
I understood what you meant, I think.
And yes, this is the BEST forum.
I'm concerned you guys got the wrong picture... I wouldn't do ANYTHING that would threat my snakes... It was just a long shot with joining Nefri with Amon. It won't happen in a next few months if anytime. I have to learn more about Nefri.
PS. I just found that Lucky the Mouse makes some kind of trips when I'm sleeping. I found several poops in my aquarium (when I was cleaning it up) that without any doubt belong to Lucky. But he always return to his cage before I wake up. Sneaky little beast! Pooping in Izy's plate, that little toad!
Maybe you just have mice.:rolleyes:
Well, Izy's still picky. Now she's spending her time curled under a root in the coolest place of her cage, sometimes with Kleo joining her (barely moving - sometimes she looks what's going on around her hide, but mostly she's hiding). She wants to brumate for sure. I'll keep the heat off for a week or two and then turn it on.
zooplan
10-23-2011, 02:54 AM
A week or two without heatsource is no hibernation, thatīs like bad weather intermezzo;)
Yeah, I know, but I won't put her in the freezer. I would be too afraid of something will happen to her. I hope she'll just click and return to her piggy mode. ;)
RedSidedSPR
10-23-2011, 03:13 PM
You never know, sometimes you have too.
I coverered myadults cage with a towel, and cooled it a little, so having no light or heat was enough of a hibernation for him....
Quick update. Izy ate two worms in a row. I think she went her pig mode again. :) I'll be sure tomorrow, when I'll offer her a fish scented rat pinky. ;) Kleo decided to have a fast. :( Bummer. Amon's picky again, but at least he's showing any interest to offered food. Nefri is like vacuum-cleaner. ;) I found Lucky's handy when scenting her food. Oh boy, she would probably eat a rock if it's scented with Lucky the Mouse (yeah, he's fine, too). ;)
guidofatherof5
11-20-2011, 03:14 PM
Thanks for the update. ;)
My pleasure. ;) I'm more into building new vivs than observing my babies right now, because they do nothing. :P It's probably the part of the year that is causing their behaviour. Hope it will get better in the spring. ;)
I made Izy eat a rat pinky by turning her frenzy on with a swordtail (when she was in hunting mode - she has got a heavilly scented rat). Great success! I was suprised she was able to swallow it though. Oh well, who would complain? ;) So, it's her first rodent after 3 months!
infernalis
11-22-2011, 06:32 AM
Good news...
Yeah, I'm happy with that too. Normally, I feed with them Kleo and Amon (Kleo's head is bigger than Izy's, even if the thickness of their bodies are almost the same); I'm low on mice pinks right now, so I had no option here. Luckily, Izy is big enough after few months of growth to swallow them. ;)
Izy's going to shed at last (after 3 months?). It seems this rat pinky she ate made her grow again. ;) Her head is almost as big as Kleo's right now (3/4 of Kleo's), so I think it's gonna be OK.
Although Izy's gonna shed, she ate a smelt from tongs. I think she went her pig mode again. ;) Yay! :D Smart girl - she knows she has only 15 months to make herself big enough to be ready for breeding season. ;)
guidofatherof5
11-27-2011, 09:17 AM
Good going Izy. ;)
I'm considering of buying a mate for all my snakes, besides Kleo (ribbons are too problematic to run a whole gang). Do you always keep males and females separate?
EasternGirl
11-27-2011, 10:21 AM
I'm going to let more experienced members take this one...what I can say is that unless you are planning on having little baby snakes, yes, you have to keep the snakes separate.
kibakiba
11-27-2011, 03:04 PM
I keep Mama and snakey together usually, but Mama can ovulate at any time and use sperm from a past breeding... So either way, she's in charge of whether or not she wants babies. She popped out a baby and 2 jellies a few weeks ago, and hasn't been bred in over 7 months. ;)
katach
11-27-2011, 03:39 PM
Once Fish Bait gets old enough to be mature, he will get his own pad.
Izy shed. She's pretty and shiny again. :D After shedding, she immediately has eaten two worms. ;) Time to check if she'll take willingly some rat pinks without need of scenting them...
infernalis
11-28-2011, 05:46 AM
Izy shed. She's pretty and shiny again. :D After shedding, she immediately has eaten two worms. ;) Time to check if she'll take willingly some rat pinks without need of scenting them...
Good luck..
Thanks, will be needed...
EasternGirl
11-28-2011, 07:18 AM
Glad she shed...good luck with the pinkies.
SOOOOOOO I offered her a rat pinky. She refused it, so I've scented it a bit. After few minutes I have had a success. Unfortunately, she grabbed it in a way that lower jaw of rat was outside her mouth preventing her swallowing it. When I tried to help her, she has dopped it and refused to open her mouth again. Crap, crap, crap! So much effort wasted. ;[
guidofatherof5
11-28-2011, 11:54 AM
Hopefully next time will go better.
Yeah. :P I've tried few times after I posted it. No luck. Eventually, for my big suprise, Amon ate that rat (he refused today a tasty hopper, which landed, in exchange, in Nefri's belly). :P I left a smelt in Izy's cage. Hope she'll eat it when I'm gone so today won't be a total waste.
BUSHSNAKE
11-28-2011, 12:02 PM
next time before scenting the rat pink try squeezing some brain matter out the nose of the pinky
Ok. I'll try it, but I think this trick won't work on garter just as rat snakes.
BUSHSNAKE
11-28-2011, 12:11 PM
i wouldnt mention it if it didnt help or work
Ok, just never heard about using it on garters. I know it's a successful method to make baby corns or african house snakes to eat. Like I said though, I'll try it, thanks for the tip!
PINJOHN
11-28-2011, 12:28 PM
she grabbed it in a way that lower jaw of rat was outside her mouth preventing her swallowing it. When I tried to help her, she has dopped it and refused to open her mouth again. Crap, crap, crap! So much effort wasted. ;[
i would recommend not interfering when the snake appears to have got it all wrong when attempting to swallow its meal, the official view is that a snake will always grab his intended meal by the head so when swallowing all appendages fold flat against the body,BUT you have only to have kept snakes a short time to see that this is far from always true, however given time they usually figure it out. i would normally only take a hand in proceedings during food fights
Please, don't remind me my stupidity, John. :( I was kicking myself whole evening for interfering, just couldn't keep my hands off. ;(
katach
11-28-2011, 03:51 PM
My girls tend to grab things in the middle then shimmy them to the right, swallowing position. Then there's Blade she likes the tushy first. :D
EasternGirl
11-28-2011, 04:27 PM
Cee Cee does that a lot...grabs it in the middle and then slides or shakes it around...sometimes it's funny and she'll end up with a bunch of food hanging out of her mouth or off of her face.
Well, that's pretty normal behaviour. The situation with Izy was different, though I shouldn't have interfered...
EasternGirl
11-29-2011, 03:48 AM
It's hard sometimes not to help when it looks like they're having trouble...I have been guilty of the same sort of thing many times. Just the other day I pulled Cee Cee's shed off when I probably shouldn't have but I just couldn't stand to see her struggle anymore. You were just trying to help...don't be so hard on yourself.
Today Izy ate a rather big smelt, little scented with a guppie (it's a fastest way to make her eat). I have my lesson though - never feed snakes with living guppies, because they tend to love it about all else and refuse to eat other things. :P Scenting a fish with other fish. Yeah, right Bart, only you can do it. :P
Just few minutes ago Izy ate a worm from my hand for the first time. :) She's still jumpy though; the keeper (that would be me!) isn't anymore. :) I know it's probably nothing for you but I wanted to share it. ;)
katach
12-01-2011, 01:43 PM
That is such a rewarding experience!! That takes trust on both sides. Congrats!!
Well, it took us 4 months but here we are. ;) I wouldn't try it with my corn or housie though... :P
tress29
12-01-2011, 01:55 PM
Someday I'll be that brave...
Glad she's making good progress for you!
Little piggy ate a small smelt. :p Ah, gee, I'm probably overfeeding her. :P
Izy gonna shed again! :eek:
EasternGirl
12-10-2011, 03:44 PM
Good to hear! Post pics after she's done!
Yeah, but the funny thing is, she usually is shedding after 2 months, not 2 weeks. Somebody is growing I think. ;) Nefri also gonna shed. And if I see correctly - soon it's Amon's turn. Lol, three snakes from different species at one time. Is it just me or it's a jackpot?
EasternGirl
12-11-2011, 08:34 PM
Sounds good Bart!
Izy shed this morning. After this glorious event, she ate a mouse pinky (without scenting!), worm and smelt (in that order). :D Here are some pics of Izy eating a smelt.
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824106/177020/p141211-10-09.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824106/454316/p141211-10-08.jpg
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/1gcfe9/)
Izy's enclosure.
PS. Nefri just shed. :D Amon has blue eyes, so I wasn't wrong - he'll shed soon.
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824178/744746/p141211-15-48.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824178/797121/p141211-15-47.jpg
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/l07yis/)
guidofatherof5
12-14-2011, 09:02 AM
What is floating in the water dish?
Lemna minor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemna_minor)
This. I always add some (I breed it for this purpose; got it from a petshop, so it isn't from a natural pond or something) when I change the water. I like how it looks (normally it covers whole surface of water, but Izy pulled out some when he was shedding). ;) One day the plant from behind will cover whole root, so I'm hoping leaves will create some kind of roof above the water dish covered with duckweed.
tress29
12-14-2011, 09:33 AM
I like how it looks (normally it covers whole surface of waterThere was some in the bag when I got my first ADF, I picked it all out and added it to his tank. It was nice to have green stuff, and they like the "cover" that it provides. I don't know if any survived the snail though!
I put some in Nefri's dish too. When I was doing those photos, I spotted two uninvited guests. ;) A small aquatic snail from aquarium and...
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824212/510440/p141211-16-28.jpg
...tiny newborn guppie. :D
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/824212/233314/p141211-16-29.jpg
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/ql2pr9/)
EasternGirl
12-14-2011, 10:05 AM
She looks good Bart!
Yup. :) Anyone would look great when his belly is full of goodies. ;)
EasternGirl
12-14-2011, 10:08 AM
Lol...
ConcinusMan
12-14-2011, 03:14 PM
I put some in Nefri's dish too. When I was doing those photos, I spotted two uninvited guests. ;) A small aquatic snail from aquarium and...
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/ql2pr9/)
Yeah, it's the "and" part that's worrisome. Like unseen protozoa or other harmful parasites/eggs:cool:. Nothing but clean water for my snakes. If I wouldn't drink it, then I won't give it to them.
To be honest, I was thinking about it too. "Uninvited guests" went home and water was changed. The problem is, Izy's eating those guppies and it's very difficult to get rid of snails from aquarium. Those snails are my "own breed", so I hope they aren't carriers.
And I give my snakes the water I drink myself (from the bottle), so we agree in that. ;)
Worst of all, I went full reta***d. :/ I gave Izy some dendrobenas over last two months; not so much, maybe 10 at most (they were sold as nightcrawlers but something was bothering me so I found out they are in fact red wigglers - "european nightcrawler", wrrrrrrrrrrr).
ConcinusMan
12-14-2011, 03:56 PM
I don't think that "european night crawlers" are the red wigglers that are bad. They're just a smaller version of the north american night crawlers, and they are somewhat redder. The bad red wigglers are very thin, sort of banded looking, stink really bad, and have yellow slime. Those are the bad ones. Anyway, if your snake happens to eat the bad ones, they will usually throw them up. They won't necessarily kill the snake but you'll definitely see that they don't have a good reaction. They usually won't hold them down. They'll come back up.
I'm thinking that your "european night crawlers" if that is indeed what they are, then those are OK even if they choose to call them "red wigglers".
guidofatherof5
12-14-2011, 03:58 PM
If there haven't been any issues from the worms I wouldn't worry about it.
I think that problems from red wiggler usually happen pretty quick.
ConcinusMan
12-14-2011, 04:01 PM
What Steve said. They will get very upset after eating the bad ones. Within a few minutes there will obvious discomfort and usually vomiting.
Well, Izy apparently likes them. They are called "dendrobena" and I found out, even on this forum (Steve was writing about it), they are, in fact, red wigglers. But I hope you're right. They don't smell aful to me. I didn't see any negative reaction nor yellow slime.
But they are red, not pink, like typical nightcrawlers. I'm not good at recognising a species of earthworms though...
So, I assume, that if Izy isn't upset after eating worms I gave her - they're safe? After I gave her a worm today, after few minutes, she ate a smelt. No vomiting whatsoever. Right?
guidofatherof5
12-14-2011, 04:55 PM
If they are indeed red worms they shouldn't be fed at all.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/husbandry/8668-new-owner.html
I won't feed her with those worms anymore. I'm just concerned they may affect her anyhow in a future in a wrong way...
guidofatherof5
12-14-2011, 05:10 PM
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/husbandry/8668-new-owner.html
I won't feed her with those worms anymore. I'm just concerned they may affect her anyhow in a future in a wrong way...
I don't think you need to worry about that.
ConcinusMan
12-15-2011, 05:02 PM
Well, Izy apparently likes them. They are called "dendrobena" and I found out, even on this forum (Steve was writing about it), they are, in fact, red wigglers.
Also known as Eisenia hortensis. Negative reaction or not, I would stop using them right away. Your snake may have some particular immunity or adaptation to them, but the fact remains, they contain toxins. I don't care if I get my snake from a population known to be immune to newt poisons, I'm still not going to feed them poison.
In my early days before I knew better, I had snakes that ate them with no immediate apparent harm. But then again, I had a significantly higher number snakes drop dead for "no apparent reason" than I do now.:rolleyes:
Like I said before, I won't give them to Izy anymore. Today I'm going to search legit earthworms, not "european". ;)
Izy's fine. She has a new neighbor though. Meet Vita. I've got her today. When I opened the package, I was sure she was dead because of cold (the sender forgot to put in heatpack and suddenly the temperature dropped below 0, snow started to fall). She was cold and stiff. After a while I've even called the sender and told him the snake is dead and stuff. Yes, I was yelling. After an hour she still wasn't moving but I decided not to give up on her, I don't know why (I was sure she was dead). When I picked up her - I've noticed her tail has wiggled. It was almost unnoticeable, but I've put her in the warm water. Then I saw a big breath. :) After an hour! Wow!
This is a result after 6 hours:
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/833022/384284/p211211-12-39.jpg
http://s1.pokazywarka.pl/i/833022/418537/p211211-12-39-01.jpg
Zdj (http://pokazywarka.pl/w2r2wa/)
Vita means "life" in latin. Before she was sent to me, she fled from her cage. The man that was sending her to me thought she was gone (there was too much oppurtunities to go outside, also, there was a cat present), but, by some miracle, she was found. Twice she avoided death by luck. She's a fighter and has strong will to live - that's why I called her like that. Now she's safe.
EasternGirl
12-21-2011, 06:11 PM
I can't view the link for some reason...but I am so glad that she is okay! Great name too! Post some pics when you can.
I can't view the link for some reason...but I am so glad that she is okay! Great name too! Post some pics when you can.
That's strange... I pasted pics here too.
RedSidedSPR
12-22-2011, 11:33 AM
I see them. Vita is awesome!! So glad you could revive him! How does one go about forgetting a HEAT PACK!!??
Don't ask me, Jesse. :P Vita's fine - she's small (33 cm), but heartfull baby. She's active and gained speed. :D Izy is upset though - I had to steal part of her heat cable (only a little, but temperature dropped in other half of her cage), so she decided to bury herself in substrate. Also, she doesn't want to eat (but she ate solid meal two days ago, so...). I wonder if it's because of lower temperature - or Izy can smell a milk snake and it's bothering her. :P
RedSidedSPR
12-22-2011, 03:11 PM
Don't ask me, Jesse. :P Vita's fine - she's small (33 cm), but heartfull baby. She's active and gained speed. :D Izy is upset though - I had to steal part of her heat cable (only a little, but temperature dropped in other half of her cage), so she decided to bury herself in substrate. Also, she doesn't want to eat (but she ate solid meal two days ago, so...). I wonder if it's because of lower temperature - or Izy can smell a milk snake and it's bothering her. :P
I've heard of snakes being iffy about other, new snakes in the room.
I really dig her look!
Oh, and great name! I knew as soon as you said Vita why you name her that (thanks to Playstation lol) it's perfect.
I've heard of snakes being iffy about other, new snakes in the room.
Not to mention that milk snakes tend to eat garters. :P I put Vita's cage on apartment of Izy, so I'm pretty sure she can smell her and vice versa.
guidofatherof5
12-22-2011, 04:03 PM
Not to mention that milk snakes tend to eat garters. :P I put Vita's cage on apartment of Izy, so I'm pretty sure she can smell her and vice versa.
That can really up the stress level on both snakes. ;)
Well, I didn't have much choice - the heatcable is too short - and the other one is needed by Amon and Nefri. Girls will have to use to each other, for a while at least. ;)
guidofatherof5
12-22-2011, 04:41 PM
Well, I didn't have much choice - the heatcable is too short - and the other one is needed by Amon and Nefri. Girls will have to use to each other, for a while at least. ;)
I understand.
Izy viciously ate a pinky. :) She was stabbing it a few times before she ate it (she refused second though and a smelt). She never does that with other stuff - this looks like cobra's strike. I think garters do envenomate their prey like birds or mice before they attempt to swallow it.
PS. Vita ate a pinky too. ;)
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