Coloring up [Archive] - Garter Snake Forum

RedSidedSPR

06-29-2011, 11:37 AM

My babies just shed for the first time. On the same day!

Here's my flame.

He's much redder now. I love watching theses guys coloring up!

Here he is when i got him
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Skelton6.jpg

Now after he shed (few days ago)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake041.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake015.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake021.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake025.jpg

RedSidedSPR

06-29-2011, 11:39 AM

Now my anery. I know:rolleyes: He's not as impressive as the flame, but he's coloring up too. More BLACK, and stripes are more defined

Before
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake063.jpg

After (flash makes this one too bright. Next are best)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake022.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake102.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake103.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake006.jpg

Last two shows it best

infernalis

06-29-2011, 12:20 PM

I know:rolleyes: He's not as impressive as the flame

Don't worry about "impressive" ;)

d_virginiana

06-29-2011, 12:27 PM

Nice pics! The flames are so bright already it's hard to imagine them getting even brighter as they get older. :D

guidofatherof5

06-29-2011, 01:26 PM

All Garter snakes are impressive, just being a garter.:D

RedSidedSPR

06-29-2011, 02:19 PM

Don't worry about "impressive" ;)

All Garter snakes are impressive, just being a garter.:D

Trust me, i know!! Out of the two, he's probably my favorite!! I love his black and white! I only said that, because a lot of people don't like anery red sideds.

Nice pics! The flames are so bright already it's hard to imagine them getting even brighter as they get older. :D

But boy will they

guidofatherof5

06-29-2011, 02:25 PM

Trust me, i know!! Out of the two, he's probably my favorite!! I love his black and white! I only said that, because a lot of people don't like anery red sideds.

Who doesn't like em'? Them there is fightin' words.:D

RedSidedSPR

06-29-2011, 02:27 PM

I don't know. I just know a lot of people "aren't a huge fan of anery red sideds". Weird right?

Hornets23

06-29-2011, 08:18 PM

I LOVE the anery!

katach

06-29-2011, 10:44 PM

Those little babies a so stinkin cute! I love their giant heads with the itty bitty bodies!! :D

Sonya610

06-30-2011, 05:41 AM

Very nice photos! Next time you take pix of your flame try putting him by a window. Seems the natural light really makes the red pop! The lighting changes the colors so very very much.

RedSidedSPR

06-30-2011, 08:46 AM

I'll try that. Today. I can never capture his colors just right.. always a little off.

RedSidedSPR

06-30-2011, 08:47 AM

I LOVE the anery!

I do too. Pitch black with white stripes, solid black eyes. He's freakin' awesome.

RedSidedSPR

07-01-2011, 01:57 PM

Alright i tried the natural light suggestion. Didn't get many good ones. Only this one.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/babe003.jpg

This shows it pretty good, but it's more red in person.
Love this photo :D

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/babe013.jpg

flickerfriend

07-01-2011, 04:19 PM

I LOVE the red ones color. Have you decided on a name yet?

RedSidedSPR

07-01-2011, 04:21 PM

"Red" :D

flickerfriend

07-01-2011, 04:30 PM

What about the other one? :p

RedSidedSPR

07-01-2011, 04:34 PM

Im not sure yet... this ones harder, cause i cant call him "blackandwhite". :p

"Smoke" i guess is fitting. Not sure yet.

flickerfriend

07-02-2011, 06:51 AM

Im not sure yet... this ones harder, cause i cant call him "blackandwhite". :p

"Smoke" i guess is fitting. Not sure yet.

:p

snakehill

07-02-2011, 11:12 AM

BEAUTIFUL babies!!!!!!!!:)

Mommy2many

07-02-2011, 11:23 AM

Very nice babies. Like the names.

RedSidedSPR

07-02-2011, 07:44 PM

guidofatherof5

07-02-2011, 07:49 PM

Growth spurts.
Nothing wrong with that. Enjoy the ride.;)

RedSidedSPR

07-02-2011, 07:54 PM

Thanks, I knew nothing was wrong, still weird though... he just shed, and only ate one meal in between.

flickerfriend

07-02-2011, 07:55 PM

Thanks

Even though he shed a week ago, "Smoke" (i guess i'll call him that... dunno... what do you think?) is gonna shed again! Weird.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Blueeyes.jpg

What happened to your thumb?? did one of your garters see a pinkie in there? :D:p:D:p

RedSidedSPR

07-02-2011, 07:58 PM

Cut it chopping fish and worms. REALLY deep. I feel stupid. :p

guidofatherof5

07-02-2011, 08:31 PM

Did the stupid come after the pain?
My pain always comes after the embarrassment. Then comes the stupid.:D

flickerfriend

07-03-2011, 06:48 AM

hehe

RedSidedSPR

07-03-2011, 04:00 PM

Did the stupid come after the pain?
My pain always comes after the embarrassment. Then comes the stupid.:D

That about sums it up.

It was a really sharp knife. WAAAAAY too sharp. It didn't take much to cut ya wide open. My hand slipped, and you know the rest.

RedSidedSPR

07-03-2011, 04:21 PM

Do all flames have white chins?

Mommy2many

07-05-2011, 11:17 AM

I have switched to using kitchen scissors. Helps keep my fingers intact:D

RedSidedSPR

07-06-2011, 09:45 AM

Good advice. :D

Cfleming

07-06-2011, 10:28 AM

Very nice. Lovin the Flame. Will be picking up a male of my own from Scott in a few weeks.

The anery is killer too.

RedSidedSPR

07-06-2011, 10:31 AM

Thanks, man.

RedSidedSPR

07-14-2011, 09:16 AM

Red (my flame) is about to shed now. Blue eyes, extremely dull... can't wait to see his red this time. Gets redder with every shed

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/skinkbaby004.jpg

guidofatherof5

07-14-2011, 10:21 AM

Looking forward to the finished product.

RedSidedSPR

07-14-2011, 10:25 AM

I think, by the looks of it, he's gonna start getting a red belly... He doesn't have one yet, but I think he will when he sheds.

d_virginiana

07-14-2011, 10:53 AM

I love watching their colors really come out after they shed! Mine just shed a day or two ago, and she seems to be turning a sort of traffic cone orange all over except for the pattern on her back. I guess there's more yellow than red in her, but I'm really happy with it. Looking forward to seeing pics of yours after he sheds. :)

RedSidedSPR

07-14-2011, 11:07 AM

It'll be a few more days. Still blue. Probably clear up tonight or tomorrow, shed the next few days....

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 11:32 AM

he shed today!! He's less orange now, and more red.

It is unbelievably hard to capture the color of this snake.

If i use natural light it's OK, if i use bulb light, it's comes out weird. So i open a window and turn the rest out. Also, if i use flash it comes out to bright and orange, so some of these are accurate in color, but kinda dark.

This is a little too orange
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/REDSHEDEDIT.jpg

This shows it great! The red coloring shows up good
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed021.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed014.jpg

Too dark, but captures the red
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed012.jpg

This ones good, but the angle doesn't show it
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed010.jpg

Pretty good one
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed007.jpg

guidofatherof5

07-16-2011, 12:14 PM

Nice photos.

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 12:17 PM

Thanks

but they're not great... i really want to figure out how to take a good picture, and still capture the colors accurately.

d_virginiana

07-16-2011, 12:48 PM

Nice pics! He's going to end up being an awesome looking snake.

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 12:57 PM

Yeah, he already is. :D

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 05:57 PM

I already started a thread for this subject, you know. But instead of having one big thread for everyone to share their "color up" photos, we get a new one every week. Not criticizing, just an observation.

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 06:05 PM

Your saying this thread is "for everyone to post?" cause it's not... Or are you saying yours was.... And i never knew you had one. Sorry.

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 06:10 PM

Or are you saying yours was.... And i never knew you had one. Sorry.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Thought it would be nice to see examples of all kinds of different snakes "before and after" as they color up, all in one place. Just never seemed to work out that way. Instead we have one or two examples, scattered everywhere in many different threads. It would be very nice to seem them all merged but that would take time and effort on the part of already "burned out" moderators.:o

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 06:20 PM

I never knew there were any like that.... Sorry

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 06:50 PM

Sorry

There's no need for that. I already said it was just an observation, not a criticism. Your color up photos are very good.

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 06:52 PM

I don't know. I just know a lot of people "aren't a huge fan of anery red sideds". Weird right?

Well, I know I'm not all that impressed by them but the mutation is a critical component for making snow red sides.

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 06:57 PM

See!? That's what I meant. :D

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 07:06 PM

Well they do differ from other snakes in that they are truly in the purest sense, anerythristic. Meaning all areas that should be red lack any pigment at all.

It's a little different with "anery" radixes and concinnus. Those aren't a simple case of red areas lacking pigment especially if the radix wasn't red in the first place. Also, anery concinnus have pigment on every bit of their body, it just isn't red like it's supposed to be. That is not to say the red areas lack pigment. There is pigment. It's just not the "right" color.

I honestly believe that "anery" radixes are really a form of melanism expressed in a way that is similar to melanistic ordinoides. That may be true of "axanthic" radixes too. They aren't purely anery or axanthic. Not like anery red sides. Those are truly anery the purest sense, and nothing more, nothing less and that is why they produce such "clean" snows. There's only one place left, and one color to take away all pigment and amelanistic takes care of that to make a very clean snow.

Even snow radixes have one place on their body that there is pigment when they are born. On the side of the head. The pigment is there, but it's just a dash of white. It's a tiny area that is white, not "see through"

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 07:24 PM

[QUOTE=ConcinnusMan;It's a little different with "anery" radixes and concinnus. Those aren't a simple case of red areas lacking pigment especially if the radix wasn't red in the first place. Also, anery concinnus have pigment on every bit of their body, it just isn't red like it's supposed to be. That is not to say the red areas lack pigment. There is pigment. It's just not the "right" color.[/QUOTE]

Well, anery red sideds can be bluish like the concinnus....
But I hear what your sayin'....

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 07:34 PM

Well, anery red sideds can be bluish like the concinnus....

That's a little different. Blue pigment is present on a lot of normal looking concinnus'. It's just that it's masked by other pigment layers. Take away those pigments and the blue shows through. I guess what I'm trying to say is that it's a different cause for the blue.

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 07:51 PM

Ok... Didn't realize about the blue pigment...

I personally think the anery red sideds are really cool. There are some I like more than others, but... It's still really cool. I love mine.

ConcinusMan

07-16-2011, 08:11 PM

But really, I think you would have loved a perfectly normal one just as much.:)

RedSidedSPR

07-16-2011, 08:18 PM

Oh I would! My favorite snake is red sideds, and my favorite "morph" is "normal"!! But I love this guy.....

You don't think this is a cool looking snake!?
OOPS!! Messed up on photo I gues I can't do it from iphone

Sonya610

07-17-2011, 08:29 AM

Too dark, but captures the red
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/RedShed012.jpg

Very nice and such EVEN coloring all the way down his body. Gotta take more pics of mine, he ate a ton yesterday and is in seclusion today (probably shed related as he is usually quite busy).

The Conncinus is growing like a weed...so so much bigger than the flame and shedding far more often. I can't wait until the flame is bigger, the coloring will be so much more stunning on a bigger animal!

RedSidedSPR

07-17-2011, 11:26 AM

Thanks, I love his colors.

Mrs N1ntndo

07-18-2011, 01:05 AM

RedSidedSPR

07-18-2011, 10:16 AM

You don't think this is a cool looking snake!?
OOPS!! Messed up on photo I gues I can't do it from iphone

Anyways, i was gonna say, you don't think THIS IS COOL??!!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/skinkbaby003.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake103.jpg
But never mind.

ConcinusMan

07-18-2011, 12:12 PM

The Conncinus is growing like a weed...so so much bigger than the flame and shedding far more often.

Now what did I tell you? 24-28 inches at 1yr (provided they are kept under "summer" conditions and fed well the entire year) is pretty much what they do. This is after all a snake that can reach nearly 4 feet and where they live, there's a lot of pressure to get big fast because everything from birds to bullfrogs are looking to have you for a snack. The solution is to get big enough to eat them instead, and do it fast. That concinnus will overtake the other snake(s) you have and will soon be way bigger than them.

RedSidedSPR

07-18-2011, 07:51 PM

Im new here...helllo all. I live in Michigan and I dont see those kind of red ones around here.I love the red snake. Beautiful. I have an eastern garter right now. she has a red skinny stripe down both her sides but thats all the red in her. Where are those red ones, I would love to get one.

Sorry didn't see your post.

It's an eastern, but a rare morph called a flame. They occur in Canada, but usually you have to buy them (I did). I got mine from Scott Felzer.

Mrs N1ntndo

07-18-2011, 08:52 PM

Sorry didn't see your post.

It's an eastern, but a rare morph called a flame. They occur in Canada, but usually you have to buy them (I did). I got mine from Scott Felzer.

Thats ok about missing it...I do that sometimes too. So much info at once sometimes I guess. Thats ok. If I were to buy one how much am I looking at if you mind me asking. Thank for the name so that I know what I would be looking for.

RedSidedSPR

07-18-2011, 08:58 PM

Around (usually under) $200 :rolleyes:

Here's what Scott has $195

Here's the morph page
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://albinogartersnake.com/pricing.htm)

Here's his "available" page
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters (http://www.albinogartersnake.com/available.html)

Scott is on this forum as Scott F.

Mrs N1ntndo

07-19-2011, 01:57 PM

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 02:15 PM

not a dumb question. $25 is a very cheap price for a snake... only normals will be that cheap from Scott. Others will sell $10 snakes. Theres no real price for a snake, people price them however. So I don't know how to answer that. There are very colorful snakes with red and stiff that are "normal", not a morph like a flame. They're not expensive.

T.s. concinnus (red spotted garter snake)
T.s. Parietalis (red sided garter snake)
And others

Sonya610

07-19-2011, 02:46 PM

wow I dont have that kind of money. They are very beatiful though. Do you know of a species of garter snake that has a lot of color that is like 25 or lower. I know thats probably a dumb question and im sorry. But Im curious.

Prices really vary, I paid MUCH less for my flame. It is the shipping costs that will get you (i.e. the shipping was almost twice the cost of the flame).

RedSided here is a pretty accurate depiction of the red color on my little guys head (the red looks a bit more solid and brighter to the eye). Parts of him are on FIRE while other parts are still ivory! Can't wait until he is bigger as then the colors will really show up (harder to see when they are still so tiny!).

http://www.grayanimalrescue.org/garters/flame_head.jpg

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 02:56 PM

Yours looks so different from mine simply because of their nose... Mine has the whole southeastern short nosed bug eyed look.

ConcinusMan

07-19-2011, 02:57 PM

wow I dont have that kind of money. They are very beatiful though. Do you know of a species of garter snake that has a lot of color that is like 25 or lower. I know thats probably a dumb question and im sorry. But Im curious.

If I had any left, I would sell my T.s. concinnus babies that low. I often sell two for 40 or 50 bucks. Maybe you should talk to Don Belnap. Garter Snake Forum - View Profile: ssssnakeluvr (http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/members/ssssnakeluvr.html)

index (http://www.donsgartersnakes.net/)

He bought a litter of 10 from me. Maybe he still has some.

I recently sold these two CB $40 for both. The thing that usually gets you is the additional cost of shipping. In the case of these two, the total cost was $75 shipped.

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=twobabies016large.jpg&res=medium

Or I could get you a WC, deworm it and make sure it's eating well. Even the WC ones make darn fine pets and do very well in captivity. I've had many over the years that are tame as heck and will carefully eat right from my fingers. My Big Bertha comes to mind. She's an old female nearly 4 feet long. She's a smart loving "puppy dog"

(this is just an example of a WC one)
http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg844/scaled.php?server=844&filename=x010large.jpg&res=medium

Yours looks so different from mine simply because of their nose... Mine has the whole southeastern short nosed bug eyed look.

Inbred.:cool:

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 03:03 PM

Inbred.:cool:

Well, according to Shannon it's the "southeastern influence"....

Sonya610

07-19-2011, 03:08 PM

That concinnus will overtake the other snake(s) you have and will soon be way bigger than them.

Yeah well he is MUCH bigger already, he is over 12" and on a growth spurt, shedding every 2-3 weeks. The little flame used to be some what smaller but now the difference is huge. The accurate thermometer is 2.5 inches wide.

http://www.grayanimalrescue.org/garters/both_2.jpg
http://www.grayanimalrescue.org/garters/both_3.jpg

ConcinusMan

07-19-2011, 03:10 PM

Oh yeah. "My" little concinnus baby is definitely on a roll. Better plan on having a 3 foot snake at least, by age 3 if you're skipping winter and feeding them a lot. I can't remember if this one I sent was a female but if it is, she's going to be huge (for a garter)

I can see you're taking very good care of them.

Sonya610

07-19-2011, 05:21 PM

I can't remember if this one I sent was a female but if it is, she's going to be huge (for a garter).

He is supposed to be male. If in doubt I will get him probed next year at the herp vet. Just measured him...14".

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 05:23 PM

Nice. :D how old is he?

ConcinusMan

07-19-2011, 05:30 PM

Late March, 2011

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 05:31 PM

Jeez...

Sonya610

07-19-2011, 05:34 PM

Jeez...

Hope I didn't just hijack your thread. I thought this was the one about coloring up comparisons. If I was wrong sorry!

ConcinusMan

07-19-2011, 05:34 PM

He is supposed to be male. If in doubt I will get him probed next year at the herp vet. Just measured him...14".

Oh lordy. Poor guy. Might as well stick your finger up his nose. Honestly, it doesn't take probing. If I said he was a male than that is what he most likely is. Now that he has some size on him you could post pics and ask the forum. Please don't put him through probing. It's really not necessary.

Well, you can expect the growth spurts like this to go on for a couple of years before a lull of about 4-5 months where things slow down before picking up gradually again. The only difference with females is after about the 2 year mark, growth continues at a slightly higher rate than males, and tops out at a bigger size.

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 05:38 PM

Hope I didn't just hijack your thread. I thought this was the one about coloring up comparisons. If I was wrong sorry!

No your not. I jeezed becuse hes so big even though he's only a few months old. I post my pics here, but anything in between is ok. Mostly. I apperantly made a mistake posting thread as there's already a thread for anyone to post (didn't know). But whatevrr

kibakiba

07-19-2011, 06:51 PM

Ember was about a foot long a couple weeks after I got him... Of course, he loved pinkies, and happily took the fish, worm and pinky mixture that I gave them every few days. He can down 3 pinkies now without making a slight bulge in his belly. ;)

d_virginiana

07-19-2011, 08:49 PM

Inbred.:cool:

Well, according to Shannon it's the "southeastern influence"....

My adult male had that look too, and he was born in a petstore from a WC female that happened to be gravid when they got her in. Still looks a little bobble-headed IMO.. Doubt he's inbred though. :rolleyes:

RedSidedSPR

07-19-2011, 08:51 PM

I dont think he's inbred...

RedSidedSPR

08-02-2011, 01:36 PM

Check out how red Red's getting.:p Less orange, more red. He's gonna be really awesome!

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/concinnus008-1.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/concinnus009-1.jpg
These are too bright.. so hard to capture the red. (Smokes gonna shed soon)
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/concinnus011-1.jpg
Group photo! All three of 'em
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/concinnus001-1.jpg