sizes differences

[snakehill]

Can anyone post a picture that shows an example of the size difference between an 11 baby and and a 10. Thanks:)

[guidofatherof5]

11? 10? Not sure what you mean.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I think she means a 2010 and 2011 side by side a newborn and a yearling.

[guidofatherof5]

I see said the blind man. Thanks.

[snakehill]

I mean a baby garter that was born in 2010 and one that was born this year-2011. I wanted to see how much they grow in a year. Sorry about that!

[RedSidedSPR]

oh! you mean as like how much they grow between that.. cool. I'd like to see that too.

EDIT: i wrote this as you posted the above post... oops

[snakehill]

Yes ,that's what I meant. Sorry missed the last 2 posts!:o

[RedSidedSPR]

It's cool. I want to see that too. I can't help you though, because i don't have snakes from 2010.

[kibakiba]

All snakes grow differently, and depending on the species. My northwesterns only grew a couple inches. The sprout up on growth on their second year, though. I don't have any pictures at the moment, I'll get some when I get home.

[RedSidedSPR]

Mine has grown two inches in a month.

[snakeman]

It depends on who's feeding it.I have seen snakes reach over 30" in one year.Others barely growing at all.

[RedSidedSPR]

holy crap :D

[guidofatherof5]

It depends on who's feeding it.I have seen snakes reach over 30" in one year.Others barely growing at all.

I've got one of those non-growing radixes.
Nice looking red radix that hasn't grown much in 2 years.

[RedSidedSPR]

hmm. is that normal? It's nothing unhealthy?

[guidofatherof5]

Nothing normal about it but I don't think it's unhealthy.
Little guy seems healthy and happy.

[RedSidedSPR]

ok good.

mine seems like he'll grow pretty fast (my anery, dunnno about my flame), he's grown a few inches in a month

[RdubSnider]

This is one of my 2010 red sided females at around a year old. She's about 26 inches here. I had a few bigger and a few smaller. http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/IMG_20110516_184414.jpg

[snakehill]

The reason I started this thread is because I want to get a buddy for my baby garter-his name is Starter, who was born on 5/08. I would rather not get a newbie because I feel like I am having trouble getting mine to eat and would rather get a yearling (as some people call them) that is already feeding well. I know that when you house snakes together they should be similair in size. So I'm guessing that you shouldn't house neonates and juvies together correct? Opinions please Thanks:confused:

[RedSidedSPR]

Don't feel like you can't feed babies. Get another baby. One that's eating well. You'll be fine.

[kibakiba]

Most people who sell garter babies on here make sure that they're eating well before selling them. It should be fine if you bought another baby that was eating :)

[RedSidedSPR]

^^^what she said:D^^^

[snakehill]

I got mine from Scott F. and he was eating feeder guppies when he was shipped to me. I have only been able to get him to eat worms so far. Is getting them to eat a common problem among all baby snakes or just baby garters?

[RedSidedSPR]

very common. Less common if he's eaten before, but you got him to eat worms thats good

Mix the worms with guppies. Have the worm crawling with guppies, he should eat both (if he eats the worms)

[guidofatherof5]

Is getting them to eat a common problem among all baby snakes or just baby garters?

It can be hit or miss. I've found most baby garters eat without too much trouble.
Then there's that very small percentage that give you trouble.

[RedSidedSPR]

it's common to have trouble though. Don't feel like it's you

[guidofatherof5]

It can be hit or miss. I've found most baby garters eat without too much trouble.
Then there's that very small percentage that give you trouble.


it's common to have trouble though. Don't feel like it's you

I should have clarified my statement. Most babies take a certain period of time to start eating. That time is on their schedule.
Most will eat.
The small percentage I spoke of is the snakes that are troubled/slow or non-eaters. These snakes are prime for "failure to thrive"
I do not think your snake is in that latter category.

[snakehill]

But Scott that's you! You're like the snake whisperer! I don't know how you do it! Maybe I should ship Starter to you or RedSidedSPR.

[RedSidedSPR]

hey, first off, that's Steve :D

Second, we may not get him eating any better than you. I'm sure Steve (and Scott ;) ) have had snakes that won't eat.

Also, YOURS ATE!! He's just a troubled eater! That's fine, he'll get the hang of it!

[snakehill]

Yes I know!!!! I already sent him a pm apologizing for the error!!!!:o

[ConcinusMan]

Mine has grown two inches in a month.

That's not to say they will always grow two inches a month. There are certain times in their life when growth is very rapid. usually between 6 months and year is the fastest growth time.

Growth rates between individual snakes vary considerably. I have two 2010 radixes that look like their a year apart, size-wise. They both eat the same. One is half the size of the other. They started out the same size.:cool:

Still, at 12-18 months old, I consider 18-24 inches to be a good growth rate for radixes or concinnus'. You're just going to get a lot of different results. Not only with individual snakes, but different species, and different conditions.

Shedding frequency will tell you a lot about a snake's growth rate. If they're shedding roughly every 4-6 weeks, growth is very rapid. Perhaps 1.5-2 inches a month. Nearly all young snakes go through a phase like that, but they do slow down again, especially when they get to be about a year to year and a half old or 20-25 inches. They will usually slow down then, and eat less frequently too. This normal female just finished her rapid growth phase. Now she's shedding about every 8-10 weeks but for a while it was every 5 weeks.

Here's a 2010 (normal) female T. radix with a 2011 snow radix less than two months old. About a year ago, the normal was roughly same size as this snow. I've experienced even more dramatic growth in some T.s. concinnus'. Like, from 7 inches, to 26 inches in one year.:eek:

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/2367/snow001large.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

wow.. cool. I knew it would change, but not that dramatically. Thanks.

[RdubSnider]

What kinda snake did u get that's a problem feeder

[snakehill]

He's a red sided that was born 5/08/11. The last time he ate (one worm) was 9 days ago. I'm trying to feed him as we speak but he doesn't appear to be interested. Wants out of the feeding enclosure.:(

[guidofatherof5]

Be strong leave him in for awhile.

Your photo didn't post.

[Chondro788]

Here are a couple of quick pics of 2010 animals with 2011 animals. They grow VERY quickly when fed a steady diet, and getting them switched to rodents early helps too.

Albino Red Sided Females
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/chondro788/DSCN0373.jpg

Flame Females (This baby is already eating pinkies)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/chondro788/DSCN0374.jpg