New Flame Eastern

[RedSidedSPR]

Just bought this awesome guy! Flame eastern, couple weeks old, already eating guppies. He doesn't like me at all. Kinda nippy. But imo that's as fun as a nice tame one. Well worth the money

I bought him as a cage mate for my anery. My anery is very skittish and hides all day... I got this guy hoping it would help with that.

And it did. When I put him in with the anery, the anery was kinda scared of him. The flame (sorry working on names) would touch him, and he'd panic and run. But then he'd come back and approach the flame. But as soon as they touched, he'd run.
The flame would just look sat him like "dude, what's your problem?"

But, overnight they got used to each other, and they're always under the same hide.

I was right about it helping the anery calm down. Already he's out more, and is not jumpy at all... that surprised me because I just got him! Already it worked! guess he just didn't like being all alone in that big 10gal


Here he is. Don't have a lot of pics 'cause i just got him.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake008.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Skelton6.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/indahut1.jpg

This is when I lift the hide. Every time. They're always together. If one moves, the other goes to that hide with him.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/chillin.jpg

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/chillin3.jpg

He has a uniquely shaped head... shorter nose, and bug-eyed... I only really can compare to my others which are red-sideds but... I doubt it's cause he's an eastern... is it?
Don't get me wrong I love his bug-eyed face.
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/Babysnake009.jpg

[Didymus20X6]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2kem2f.jpg

[Sonya610]

Very very cute! Looks a lot like my flame only smaller (and more bug-eyed..lol).

It is nice that your two are such different colors....easier to identify from a glance. Congrats on your new little guy I know you have been wanting one for a while. Glad it is helping with the shyness.

[sirtalis01]

they are nice....the bug eye is not because they are easterns is because of to much inbreeding...

[MasSalvaje]

they are nice....the bug eye is not because they are easterns is because of to much inbreeding...

That is not necessarily the case. It could be caused by any number of things. Bug-eyes are not always a result of inbreeding, I have had unrelated pairs produce bug-eyes also.

-Thomas Wilder

[sirtalis01]

i stand corrected....yes it is cause by a number of things but the number one case is inbreeding.....

[d_virginiana]

Nice little snake. Maybe he'll get less bug-eyed and funny looking as he gets older :p Though he's pretty cute as-is.

[kibakiba]

Pumpkin is a bit bug-eyed compared to the others, but her eyes are just so cute. Snakey was bugeyed as a yearling, but I think it kind of defines his cuteness now ;)

[Spankenstyne]

Nice lil gaffers. Love the Python reference Didy ;)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

the head shape and those large eyes are because he has southern-eastern influence in him... you can clearly see it! :D

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks guys.

Inbreeding. What is that exactly?

I couldn't care less about the head shape, unless it's at all.. bad... health-wise. But it's not a bad thing is it?
Will it grow out? Don;t care if it does or not but...


the head shape and those large eyes are because he has southern-eastern influence in him... you can clearly see it! :D

You are kidding right?

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

no no, I am dead serious. That snake has lineage from one of the carolinas, georgia, or florida. All the babies from those southern easterns have those big round heads and huge bulgy eyes. If you've ever seen newborn baby florida blue easterns, you'll know what I mean. they look -totally- different from northern varieties of baby easterns. You can also tell just by the pattern!The snake will eventually grow into the head and eyes. Promise!

[Sonya610]

Inbreeding. What is that exactly?


Your kidding right?

Inbreeding -- closely related relatives breeding amongst each other; also referred to as "line-breeding" among breeders of animals. Common genes increase certain traits which can magnify "positive traits" and also negative. A common problem that results in genetic defects in humans and other animals.

In captive bred snakes it refers to morph's being bred to relatives in order to magnify the morph trait, unfortunately you don't just magnify the "pretty trait" you magnify any negative genetic traits as well.

In humans it has been and is still a common practice in certain human populations. Either becuase they all live in a small community and marry their cousins, or because marrying your cousin keeps the "wealth in the family". Was common among the royalty in Europe, and is still widely practiced among certain human populations such as Pakistanis with very high rates of severe birth defects. For religious/monetary reasons they tend to marry cousins a lot.

Most pure bred dogs/cats also suffer from some "inbred" traits, deafness in Dalmations, hip-displasia in many many large breeds, etc...

Bug-eyed snakes are common in certain colors of Corns and is directly linked to inbreeding; it can cause problems with eye injuries and shedding issues. It can also occur in natural populations randomly.

I am no expert on "bug-eyed" snakes, are you sure your baby really is bug-eyed (a defect) or does he just look that way because he is so young?

[Sonya610]

no no, I am dead serious. That snake has lineage from one of the carolinas, georgia, or florida. All the babies from those southern easterns have those big round heads and huge bulgy eyes. If you've ever seen newborn baby florida blue easterns, you'll know what I mean. they look -totally- different from northern varieties of baby easterns. You can also tell just by the pattern!The snake will eventually grow into the head and eyes. Promise!

Well then it is normal and thrives in the wild population and is of no concern right? Not a negative result of inbreeding nor a birth defect!

[RedSidedSPR]

no no, I am dead serious. That snake has lineage from one of the carolinas, georgia, or florida. All the babies from those southern easterns have those big round heads and huge bulgy eyes. If you've ever seen newborn baby florida blue easterns, you'll know what I mean. they look -totally- different from northern varieties of baby easterns. You can also tell just by the pattern!

Ah... gotcha good to know. Thanks.


The snake will eventually grow into the head and eyes. Promise!

Shucks:D I like it. Although i probably wouldn't as he got older.. so it's probably a good thing


Your kidding right?

Inbreeding -- closely related relatives breeding amongst each other; also referred to as "line-breeding" among breeders of animals. Common genes increase certain traits which can magnify "positive traits" and also negative. A common problem that results in genetic defects in humans and other animals.

In captive bred snakes it refers to morph's being bred to relatives in order to magnify the morph trait, unfortunately you don't just magnify the "pretty trait" you magnify any negative genetic traits as well.

In humans it has been and is still a common practice in certain human populations. Either becuase they all live in a small community and marry their cousins, or because marrying your cousin keeps the "wealth in the family". Was common among the royalty in Europe, and is still widely practiced among certain human populations such as Pakistanis with very high rates of severe birth defects IF it is practiced generation after generation. For religions/monetary reasons they tend to marry cousins a lot and have a genetic problems.

Most pure bred dogs/cats also suffer from some "inbred" traits, deafness in Dalmations, hip-displasia in many many large breeds, etc...

Bug-eyed snakes are common in certain colors of Corns and is directly linked to inbreeding; it can cause problems with eye injuries and shedding issues. It can also occur in natural populations randomly.

I am no expert on "bug-eyed" snakes, are you sure your baby really is bug-eyed (a defect) or does he just look that way because he is so young?

Chillax, that's what I thought! I just didn't know every detail. But I knew what it was.
Thanks.

[d_virginiana]

the head shape and those large eyes are because he has southern-eastern influence in him... you can clearly see it! :D

Houdini was that way as a baby, and all the younger wild easterns I've run across tend to have that bobble-headed look too. I've never seen them from anywhere farther north than southern VA (and there it was still a florida blue), so I had no clue that was a regional thing! That's pretty cool.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

yea, the only way i can describe it is that the southern easterns look more "cartoonish" than the northern ones as babies.

[charles parenteau]

Male eastern have bigger eyes than female usually!!

[RedSidedSPR]

Well he is male.

I've been googling, and apparently, even as adults, they're always like that... basically they just have a shorter nose as adults...

I'm just glad it's nothing bad. And I actually like his head, so...

[kibakiba]

My male snakes do seem to have bigger eyes, usually. Maybe it's so they can stare at the ladies better. :D

[RedSidedSPR]

that's kind of the easiest way to identify male from females... their heads are smaller. (they are smaller period)

[RedSidedSPR]

Here's all of my snakes... big difference on the shape of his head.

I mean, it's not a HUGE difference, but he has bigger eyes, bigger head, shorter nose,...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/SNAKEWALLPAPER2.jpg

[kibakiba]

Some females, like Squirt, have a more shorter, pudgy face than males. Her face has always been short compared to Thumbelina (male) and they're about the same age. She's taken off in growth though. Thumbelina used to be so much bigger ;)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

please do not be mistaken... head shape and eye size on a baby is absolutely zero help in sexing the snake. it's merely a coincidence that your big eyed stubby nosed baby is a male. Even as adults it's unreliable. I have had males that with just a picture of the head would fool you into believing it was a female, and vice versa.

[RedSidedSPR]

Right i know. all in the pics are males.

I just meant, females heads are usually bigger, wider etc. As with most of the snakes body. Females are just bigger.. but not always. I get what you're saying.,

[snakeman]

In my experience.most runts have that head shape.

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, he small than my other, but he's also younger. If I see signs of him being a runt... than I may assume that's what it is. But he seems normal in size. He's only a few weeks old , 7 or inches long...

I'm leaning toward to the southeastern influence like Shannon said.. Look at this pic (i found it in google images, but I think it's Shannons :D) same shaped head as mine, but it's an adult.

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b283/chucknkelly/BLUEEASTHEAD.jpg

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It sure is! Haha... Yes that's a male in that picture... An adult.... And you can see the googly eyes! I think they're cute :)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I have a moose male checkered that looks like a female at first glance... He's not even that big, but he's got some junk in his trunk... He's round in the middle like a female would be and he's got a rather large head!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Awesome looking snakes man!

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks

So, Shannon, when you said "it will grow out of it. Promise" Did you mean that? That snake in the pic didn't. I don't care if it ever does, just curious.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Yes the snake in the pic DID. They always have larger eyes, but nothing nearly as dramatic and goofy looking as the awkward baby stage. I think the babies of snakes like this look like caricature versions of the adults they become.... once their neck starts to fatten up they don't look so bizarre.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's not just the bug-eyedness its the shorter nose... and that DIDN"T grow out... at least not in that picture.

[ConcinusMan]

http://i55.tinypic.com/2kem2f.jpg

Then the other replies..

"I don't care what kind of bird it is. When I grow up, I'll swallow him"