What's better than a baby snake?

[Spankenstyne]

More baby snakes!
Checkered Garter babies that were born early April. Enjoy:
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1a2011.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1b2011.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1c2011.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1d2011.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1e2011.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmb1f2011.jpg

[Spankenstyne]

Just for fun & because this guy shed today:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tsc1bmay32011.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Enjoy we will.;)

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Awesome snakes man!!!

[reptile65]

Great looking snakes!

[d_virginiana]

Nice snakes!! :)

[charles parenteau]

Congratulation very nice snake...

[Spankenstyne]

Thanks, seeing babies never gets old imo.
I've been impressed with how bright these all seem to be so far. Nothing pastel though as the labial patterns I've peeked at don't look reduced or aberrant like pastels do (or that crazy light body colour), but all the wild-types in this litter have been the nice bright light green I was seeing some in my past litters get vs some having the darker more dull olive normal wild-type colours.

[ConcinusMan]

Just for fun & because this guy shed today:

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tsc1bmay32011.jpg

He's looking very well Chris!;)

[Jeff B]

Congrats, those are some big fat babies.

[Spankenstyne]

Thanks Richard, he's a jaw-dropper in person when folks see him for the first time (and any time after). Now he just needs a girlfriend or two ;)

Thanks Jeff. They've been little piggies for the last month. Just one that seems to be lagging behind a bit and will be separated out from the bunch to live solo for a while while it puts on some size.

[ConcinusMan]

Nah.. he's not even close to jaw-dropping if you could see some of the others. If you think he's impressive, consider that he's just "so-so" when compared to some of these anery's, if you can imagine that. A few are just friggen glowing. Neon blue/green stripes and spots, glowing blue faces, I mean there's some really stunning ones out there. Mostly males, and not very many nice strong healthy ones.

Yeah, I know, everyone wants pairs or people who have males only, want females. I just can't do it. There aren't very many good strong breeding age females out there that are anery. It makes me a bit apprehensive about taking any.

[Spankenstyne]

No worries, I was meaning just regular single stripe type concinnus females (hoping from the same locality). I know you don't want to mess with any of the blue girls out there, I'd feel the same way.

[ConcinusMan]

You know, I crossed a male from that same population (he was hypoerythristic yellow spotted) to a normal single stripe female from another location 25 miles away.


http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters-45.html#post154163

Check out what I got from that litter. Awesome. Better than either parent:

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/6519/aaa024medium.jpg

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/8325/aaa019large.jpg

I think there's something to be desired when crossing localities. Afterall, thats how some of the best looking CB representatives of some species/ssp come to be in the captive hobby.

[Spankenstyne]

Very nice. The locality isn't a big deal to me, but I definitely am looking for single stripe girls.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh I see what you're saying. Well if you're serious and you can get some way to get them into Canada again, let me know about a month or so ahead of time. I can always get a nice healthy WC and deworm her for you and make sure she's eating well. The place where he's from does have some spectacular normal females. I got this very pretty 3 ft girl there. She's flawless, eats like a pig, and is strong and muscular. There's plenty of various colored normal females. Some even have blue on their faces/sides. I just don't want to take any completely anery females. There aren't very many.

http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/4826/female003large.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/706/female005large.jpg

Breed one of those to your anery and you could get all kinds of interesting colored babies. The population does have lots of variety and very interesting colors. There's definitely no shortage of snakes, I'll tell you that. It's a very dense population.

[RedSidedSPR]

She's a big old girl. Wow.

[ConcinusMan]

She doesn't seem old at all. Not like big bertha. This girl is still pretty young I think. Just big.

[RedSidedSPR]

So she's wild caught?

[ConcinusMan]

What do you think? If you address the issues (deworming with several kinds of dewormer and possibly even antibiotics) and choose healthy strong specimens, they do very well.

All the problems that people quote and say that they have with wild-caught are perfectly solvable. You can "clean them up" with a little effort and eliminate the problems that go with wild-caught.;) Do nothing, no meds, and just keep them, you're likely to have problems with most of them.

[RedSidedSPR]

Never said they didn't!! My snake (only snake) is wild caught. I'm all for it! Just didn't know she was 'till you said that.

[ConcinusMan]

They'll do much better, live longer, and have fewer problems if you hit them hard with the deworming meds. It's hard on them, but once they get through it, they're way better off and you'll have much better luck with them. Antibiotic "pulse dosing" isn't a bad idea either, if you can get the meds. This eliminates some of the diseases they carry which can cause health issues later. Anyway, all of this I speak of, I learned from a zoologist.

I have some dewormer I can send to you if you want. It will eliminate virtually 99% of the most common parasites they carry. Remember, even if they carry them and they cause no major health issues, they will still do better and live longer if the parasites are cleared. Captivity has a way of causing these things which wild snakes can live with for many years, to suddenly start being a problem whereas they wouldn't necessarily cause problems in the wild.

[RedSidedSPR]

I've never bought any of that stuff, I didn't really know there was meds. I've usually heard most of that stuff has to be done by a vet...
I'd like to do it though.. I'm not going to ask you to send it to me, I'll buy it, but I appreciate it. Thanks.
Where do you find it? How much is it? What forms are they in? Do you spray it on the food? Water? What is "pulse dosing"?

[ConcinusMan]

I've never bought any of that stuff, I didn't really know there was meds. I've usually heard most of that stuff has to be done by a vet...
Where do you find it? How much is it? What forms are they in? Do you spray it on the food? Water? What is "pulse dosing"?

"I've usually heard most of that stuff has to be done by a vet..." Why would you say that? That's just what vets want you to think. Many of the same drugs combined in one dose, that are "prescription only" at a huge markup at the vet, are available over the counter separately. When it comes to simple deworming, a vet is needed for someone who doesn't know what they're doing and wants to pay 100 times more than they need to. A vet will make you do fecal exams to the tune of lord knows how much money, and if it comes up negative (which is frequently a false-negative when it comes to herps) they won't give your snake the necessary med. Then they'll make you follow up with more fecal exams. All this is unecessary. I give it to all wild snakes regardless. If they don't actually have say, tape worms, oh well. I give them Praziquantel anyway. It won't hurt them if you don't overdose them and they are otherwise healthy. I hit them once, then about two weeks later, hit 'em again. If they come out of it and still have worms, then the worms must come from Krypton is all I gotta say, Lol.:rolleyes:

"Pulse dosing" reptiles with antibiotics is when you give them higher than the normal daily dose for two or three in a row, stop, wait a while, and do it again. It kills a lot of pathogens that wild snakes carry that can cause disease and problems later on down the road, or spread to other animals in your collection that have no immunity. It's a little different than the sustained dosing you would do when an animal is actually sick and fighting an infection.

The dewormers I use come in tablet form and are a home preventative for cats and dogs. You need an accurate weight of your snake and a scale capable of wieghing very minute weights such as micrograms. You scratch off enough of the pill and you weigh it according to how much your snake needs. How much they should be given depends on their weight.

I give them Praziquantel which is only effective against tapeworms. I give them Pyrantel Pamoate which takes care of most other types of worms and is not effective against tape worms. Often times, snakes that seem perfectly healthy, pass a huge load of worms when I dose them. It's hard on them. They get the squirts, get dehydrated, and a sick snake won't be able to take it. A healthy one will pull through and be much better off afterwards.

[RedSidedSPR]

"I've usually heard most of that stuff has to be done by a vet..." Why would you say that? That's just what vets want you to think. Many of the same drugs combined in one dose, that are "prescription only" at a huge markup at the vet, are available over the counter separately.

I know the drugs themselves are sold, I just thought a vet who knows he's doing has to do it, because I'd mess it up, or because I don't have the equipment etc.
Again I'm gonna ask: What form is the meds? Would I be able to do it myself?


When it comes to simple deworming, a vet is needed for someone who doesn't know what they're doing

That is very likely me:D


"Pulse dosing" reptiles with antibiotics is when you give them higher than the normal daily dose a day or three in a row, stop, wait a while, and do it again. It kills a lot of pathogens that wild snakes carry that can cause disease and problems later on down the road, or spread to other animals in your collection that have no immunity. It's a little different than the sustained dosing you would do when an animal is actually sick and fighting an infection.

OK gotcha... I'd love to do it, but... I'm not sure I can. How do you do it? 'Cause I really want to, I'm just thinking it's to advanced. But what do i know?


Wait... you mean they don't come from Krypton?!?!?:eek:

[ConcinusMan]

That's why I offered to send you the deworming meds. Just weigh your snake in grams accurately (most vets will let you use their scale) and I can send you the right dosage. I promise it won't kill your snake.;) You just stick it in some food and feed it to them. You keep them cooler than you normally would for a week after that. They will "poop out" a lot of water, and you might even notice dead worms or pieces of tapeworm. Within a week, they are feeling better and the squirts will stop.

The antibiotics aren't absolutely necessary and those are prescription only unless you know someone (a vet or zoologist) that is willing to "hook you up".

[RedSidedSPR]

I may ask you to send me some, thanks. But first, where can I find it? I'd like to see how much it is and whether I can buy/do it myself.... Appreciate the offer.

[ConcinusMan]

I got the deworming drugs online

[RedSidedSPR]

I'll check thanks. If all else fails, you can send me some. 'preciate it.

[Spankenstyne]

Oops missed a bunch of this thread. Richard I'll definitely take you up on that (a female). PM sent

[Marcman2k4o]

haha do u sell these???

[Spankenstyne]

I do, but the same sort of setup that Richard mentioned on the other thread. Just a hobbyist breeder & I get a litter or two yearly usually of these guys. They quickly sell out locally though & I've had more frantic emails already than I have babies ;)
Plus I'm in Alberta so shiping would be nuts. You should contact Port Credit Pets in Ontario, they often have checkereds available & are very experienced when it comes to shipping.

Their site: Port Credit Pet Centre (http://www.portcreditpets.com/)

Looks like they don't have any listed as available at the moment, but contact them & see if they have any.

[ConcinusMan]

Excellent contrast on these babies Chris. Nice.

[RicMartin]

Great babies!

[ConcinusMan]

What's better than a baby snake? Flipping a Stegosaurus!

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa279/andy_avram/2006.jpg

[Spankenstyne]

Haha.. Any day flipping a stegosaurus is a good day! Looks like quite the awkward climb

[Didymus20X6]

There is one thing cooler than a stegosaurus. And that's a flying ROBOT stegosaurus. With laser-beam eyes.

[Spankenstyne]

...riding a shark!

[RedSidedSPR]

Yeah, i found a couple of those under some plywood i set out. Fairly common.

[Spankenstyne]

Couple of updated pics of them lounging by the pool while the maid refreshed their room. Turns out the mom is a pastel albino & there could be a few pastels in here, two of the albinos have the swirly head pattern. All have good contrast & the dad is a nice bright green so it makes it a bit more difficult to see perhaps. A couple of the wild types look darker & more normal while a few have that bright glow. Perhaps a less extreme expression of the gene going on here?

The albino & one to the right
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmmbabies1ajune122011.jpg

Closer shots of two of the albino heads
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmmbabies1bjune122011.jpg

The one facing 1 o' clock has that look to me.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj267/spankenstyne/Thamnophis/tmmbabies1cjune122011.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Good looking snakes.

[ConcinusMan]

Just occurred to me. What's better than a baby snake? A whole litter of baby snakes, of course!

[RedSidedSPR]

Ditto