B/W radixes

[guidofatherof5]

I thought these little beauties deserved their own thread. Their lack of color to me is beautiful. They all are eating and appear to be doing fine.
Getting all of them to the 6 month mark is important. I'm so excited to watch them grow.
This photo was taken with a Canon EOS with a macro lens and flash.
This photo is very true to color(or lack of it) as I can get.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bw.jpg

[BUSHSNAKE]

beautiful! looks axanthic to me(a true axanthic)no yellow....and its not blue either

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Neat little guys look to be axanthic.

[RedSidedSPR]

Awesome. I love the lack of color. I want one!!:D

[reptileparadise]

Should I pm you my adress?

[guidofatherof5]

I can give you mine and you can come by and get them:D

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

now that right there is axanthic!

[sirtalis01]

A True Axanthic....good luck with them Steve,

[infernalis]

Stunning snake Steve...

[diamondsirtalis]

hey Steve awesome snake with the coloration and size;)

[Mix]

Wow! I reeeeeally like this little guy!

Envy. ;)

[RicMartin]

That's a neat Radix.

[Chondro788]

:cool: Too cool Steve!!!
Put me on the list, I WANT one!! :D

[ConcinusMan]

beautiful! looks axanthic to me(a true axanthic)no yellow....and its not blue either

I was thinking the same thing. True axanthic. As in, no yellow but no other side effects such as bluing, loss of pattern, or increased melanin. Just plain old true axanthic and nothing more or less. I wonder what gene or genes are responsible for this. I mean, is this from the mother, the father, or is it a product of their combined contributions. I'd be looking into this Steve. There's definitely something special about them. Could lead to new combo morphs some day too.

So what should we call your new radix color Steve? Your call.

[guidofatherof5]

The male is my newly acquired (last year) wild caught Iowa albino. The female was a late Fall rescue. I'll post an upated photo of both later today.
I conceder the female a dark phase. Hence her name, Darkgirl.
If all goes well they will be paired up again next season. Then the season after that one of the males should be mature enough to breed back to Darkgirl. The year after that a daughter should be ready to breed back to the father. That should also be the year I can breed sib. to sib.

[guidofatherof5]

Here is the female (Darkgirl) Then the male (Riverton) and the lockup.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/female2.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/male4.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/ouch1.jpg

[RicMartin]

Great proyect Steve, keep us posted with Picts of new babies from this line.
I think we all want to own one some day.

[Spankenstyne]

Very nice. Yet another reason that makes me jealous of those able to work with Radix :)

[guidofatherof5]

Here's some video I shot of these little beauties.
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[guidofatherof5]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bw2.jpg

[reptileparadise]

My god... I'm totally in love with them!

I hope some will find their way to Europe some day! ;)

[kibakiba]

They will. Knowing Steve... His radixes will be at the furthest reaches of the universe by 2020. ;)

[guidofatherof5]

They will. Knowing Steve... His radixes will be at the furthest reaches of the universe by 2020. ;)

A radix in space.........well I never.
Looks like I'll be contacting NASA.:D

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice. Yet another reason that makes me jealous of those able to work with Radix :)

There is something, many things special about them.
I'm so lucky to live in the area I do. More radixes than I can count.
But I'll try.:D

[brain]

Wow, Steve great breeding project you have there, maybe next year bred them back to make the strainstronger.
Thanks for the call yesterday. The Zoo was great and somewhat close by.
While we were there we passed by a breed pond the Zoo has, breeding three spot frogs which are becoming rare in the area and a food source for this reptiles. Anyway, as I was on the path a very large fem concinnus crossed and I snapped her up for a look.

Nice colors and well fed. Sorry, no pictures didn’t think of it.

People around jumped, screamed and well it wasn’t good to hold her to long.

[guidofatherof5]

Wow, Steve great breeding project you have there, maybe next year bred them back to make the strainstronger.


Season after next will be more like it. Then I should have a male ready to breed back to mom.

[Selkielass]

Beautiful!
I love high contrast in snakes, and these have that in spades!
I hope the color breeds true for you.

[guidofatherof5]

This group is awesome at feed time. All good eaters.
One of these little b/w scrubs is getting ready to shed.
I'll post a couple updated photos once that occurs.

[ConcinusMan]

Thanks for the call yesterday. The Zoo was great

What zoo if may ask?

[brain]

The Greater Vancover Zoo in BC. ZOO MAP | GREATER VANCOUVER ZOO (http://www.gvzoo.com/node/14)
The frog breeding area is out by the Mule Deer and Emu.

[guidofatherof5]

Michael,
I didn't see anything on the map showing that concinnus attraction you were at. What gives?:D

[ConcinusMan]

That's because it wasn't a concinnus. It was a red phase Puget Sound garter. T.s. pickeringii. Vancouver BC is a long ways from concinnus' range but red phase puget sound garters are very common there. Concinnus' are limited to Oregon's Willamette Valley and extreme SW WA. I suspect there are a lot of hybrids out there due to people making the same I.D. error. Remember shannon's "rainbow man" ? Not a concinnus but sold as one.

pugets from Vancouver B.C. look like this:

http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll228/adamanteus_bucket/Garter%20Snake%20Photos/2008_0412malepuget0034.jpg

[brain]

Michael,
I didn't see anything on the map showing that concinnus attraction you were at. What gives?:D

No there is no attraction. She was wlid just crossing the path. Gettin a free meal. they have a vivarium but not much more than ball pyhtons (many), turtles, and cockroaches.

[guidofatherof5]

There must have been, you picked her up.;):D

[brain]

No, I belive she was not T.s. pickeringii. There was no blue. The more I remember and look at my T.s. fitchi, this was her.

http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/northwest/nwsnakes/images/tsfitchiomwa806.jpg

[brain]

There must have been, you picked her up.;):D
Yea and got a good deal of musk. I didn't thimnk to take pic and I had the snake :(

[ConcinusMan]

No, I belive she was not T.s. pickeringii. There was no blue. The more I remember and look at my T.s. fitchi, this was her.

http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/northwest/nwsnakes/images/tsfitchiomwa806.jpg

I see an opportunity to educate you but I responded in the "oh so quiet" thread.;)

[guidofatherof5]

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[ConcinusMan]

Awesome Steve. Who farted at 1:08? :p

[guidofatherof5]

Have no idea what you are talking about. I'll check.

[ConcinusMan]

Well everybody looked a bit startled and went scrambling for cover. I just assumed..:p

[guidofatherof5]

Taking the cover off.

[guidofatherof5]

Now available in HD 1080p, finally. Thanks Stefan for your help.

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[justme]

Thanks for sharing Steve. Very nice footage of your adorable, hungry little buggers! ;-)

[RdubSnider]

That's an impressive looking radix. Its got to be axathic. Congrats!!!

[guidofatherof5]

That's an impressive looking radix. Its got to be axathic. Congrats!!!

Thanks. I've got 7 just like that in the group.
I'm a blessed man.

[RdubSnider]

Hey Steve hows the black and whites doing. Hopefully Ill be able to makes some available some year soon.

[guidofatherof5]

They are doing very well. Eating, growing and shedding.
I will get an updated photo soon.
They was are so pleasing to the eye.
Thanks for asking.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I love those guys.

[guidofatherof5]

They was are so pleasing to the eye.

Good English there Steve. What a dope.:D

[ConcinusMan]

Good English there Steve. What a dope.:D


Not as bad as "all your thamnophises are belong to me":rolleyes:

[Spankenstyne]

For great justice!

[Chondro788]

:eek: Amazing looking axanthic to say the least!!! Awesome snakes, and I hope you get them breeding and proven out!
-Jason

[guidofatherof5]

They are continue to grow.
This whole group, whether it be the axanthics or normal hets. are such a pleasure to work with.
All the snakes in this group are great eaters. No slow eaters at all.
I wish all my baby groups were like this.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Not as bad as "all your thamnophises are belong to me":rolleyes:


where on earth did you see that?!?! :cool:

[RedSidedSPR]

It is weird... never understood that signature,..

[Didymus20X6]

Someone set up us the bomb!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It is weird... never understood that signature,..

go to youtube and search "all your base are belong to me"

[guidofatherof5]

Been awhile since I updated these beauties.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bw4.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

go to youtube and search "all your base are belong to me"

Sort of like "pwnd" Urban Dictionary: pwnd (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pwnd)

I understood Shannon's old sig. I've seen the original saying before.

Those B&W snakes are really something Steve. They're special. Chromatically challenged. LoL.

[RedSidedSPR]

I get it now. Thanks.

DANG!!! Those are AWESOME!!

[Didymus20X6]

Personally, I always preferred:

CONGLATURATION !!!

You prooved the justice
of our culture.

Now go and rest our heroes !

[RedSidedSPR]

I don't know about you sometimes... :D

[d_virginiana]

Wow, they really stand out compared to how the normal ones look! Can't wait to see them when they're older.


Chromatically challenged. LoL.

Bwahaha :D

[guidofatherof5]

Their bellies are bright white and even more striking just after a shed.

[Hornets23]

Those are just wicked awesome steve!

[guidofatherof5]

Thank you.
I'm really looking forward to seeing them as an adults. It will be awesome.

Then of course there is the hope that the parents will breed again next Spring.

[guidofatherof5]

I took a couple new photos of my little axanthics.
One of them was in trouble and I though she was going to pass but with a little TLC she's back to full weight and I think she'll be fine.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw5.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw6.jpg

[MasSalvaje]

I am amazed every time I see new pics of those Steve. Please Please keep posting them!

-Thomas

[kibakiba]

They look like Silver :)

[katach]

They are beautiful!

[chris-uk]

Stunning radix. We should start conspiring now to get John to bring some back to the UK when he makes his trip State-side. I'd have one of those little beauties.

[PINJOHN]

Stunning radix. We should start conspiring now to get John to bring some back to the UK when he makes his trip State-side. I'd have one of those little beauties.
what a great idea Chris ! UNFORTUNATELY reading Steve's breeding plans for these little wonders of nature, he will still be a couple of years short of completing his breeding plans, but hey we can dream of owning some, they cant stop us dreaming :D

[chris-uk]

what a great idea Chris ! UNFORTUNATELY reading Steve's breeding plans for these little wonders of nature, he will still be a couple of years short of completing his breeding plans, but hey we can dream of owning some, they cant stop us dreaming :D
Maybe we can persuade Steve that a double-pronged, trans-Atlantic breeding programme is best for the snakes ;). You know, all about spreading the gene pool, and ensuring that all these beauties aren't under the same roof.
When you fly to the States you'd better make sure you're flying back with an airline that is snake friendly. I think Continental are happy to carry snakes.

[PINJOHN]

Maybe we can persuade Steve that a double-pronged, trans-Atlantic breeding programme is best for the snakes ;). You know, all about spreading the gene pool, and ensuring that all these beauties aren't under the same roof.
When you fly to the States you'd better make sure you're flying back with an airline that is snake friendly. I think Continental are happy to carry snakes.

i really must try to reign in my over active imagination, i have this mental image of having talked Steve out of half a dozen of his silvers with your double pronged argument, he then changes his mind and as my continental plane hurtles down the runway towards lift off, there stands Steve, waiting feet slightly apart with a bazooka on his shoulder :eek:

[chris-uk]

LOL. Wild imagination there.
Half a dozen? I think we can settle for two pairs.

[guidofatherof5]

So, while I slept an international conspiracy was started involving my little radixes.
I love it.:D

[chris-uk]

So, while I slept an international conspiracy was started involving my little radixes.
I love it.:D
What's more, the little radixes will love it as well when you tell them. They'll be packing their little suitcases for the trip to rainy/windy/sunny/cloudy* Liverpool before you know it.

* Delete as applicable based on John's latest post.

[guidofatherof5]

I hope that in the future some of my radixes can travel across the pond.
I must agree with you. They would be excited as they know of my quest.

[RedSidedSPR]

Those are so dang awesome!!

[guidofatherof5]

Thank you everyone for your kind comment.
They are special and I can only hope to produce more this Spring.

[RedSidedSPR]

And i can only hope to buy some this spring...:D

[kibakiba]

No chance in la-la land. Steve never sells his snakes... ;)

[guidofatherof5]

Really. That's news to me and many other members.
Especially the ones with my snakes.:D

[kibakiba]

You don't sell the/give them away that often ;)

[guidofatherof5]

That I would agree with. But not "never";)

[kibakiba]

T'is never some some people ;)

[RedSidedSPR]

Well, like i said i can only hope.:D

I'm impressed the way he breeds, but doesn't sell, and can somehow keep all them snakes.:eek:

i'm building a rack-ish shelf thing this year or next, and plan on putting all my snakes together, or in two bigger cages, therefore leaving me with more room, and two empty cages... radix are on the list.:D And a looooot of others.:p

[guidofatherof5]

I've given far more snakes away then I've ever sold.
Just spreadin' the love.

[brain]

An interesting color variation the B/W but to me the Red andthe Greens are killer.

AS for selling/trading/giving away, I think Steve is veryfair with his little scrubs.

Although I really cannot fathom where he gets the time and money for the “few” snakes he has. ;)

[guidofatherof5]

I claim them on my taxes :D All of them!

[guidofatherof5]

She just shed and I must say when they are in opaque phase(shedding phase) they are dull, dirty looking little scrubs.
That makes it even more special once they do shed. The white just pops out at you.
That white lateral is smokin'.
I hope next Spring I get more of these beauties. Watching them being born is awesome.

Natural sunlight. No flash. Sony DSC-W190

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw7.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw8.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw9.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Sweet. Would definitely want one in my future radix cage!:D

What was bred to get these out of curiosity?

[guidofatherof5]

Much earlier in this thread I posted photos of the male and female.(Page 2, post#16)
Iowa albino male.(W/C purchased)
Dark phase female.(W/C rescued)

[RedSidedSPR]

Oh i see sorry Them is awesome snakes too.:D

[MasSalvaje]

You never cease to amaze me Steve! Best of luck with this group.

-Thomas

[katach]

:eek: Beautiful!

[i_heart_sneakie_snakes]

Simply stunning!!! :)

[brain]

i claim them on my taxes :d all of them!

:D

[snakehill]

I think you should send one to the east coast please!!! :D

[guidofatherof5]

I think you should send one to the east coast please!!! :D

Are you trying to get every color in the radix rainbow?:D

[RedSidedSPR]

I am.:D I eventually want a "radix tank" when i get the room, with a few radixes, all different colors.

[snakehill]

are you trying to get every color in the radix rainbow?:d absolutely!!!!!!!;)

[guidofatherof5]

Nothing wrong with that.:D

[RedSidedSPR]

I am.:D I eventually want a "radix tank" when i get the room, with a few radixes, all different colors.

I'll use my spare 20 gallon for that or a racer, but definitely want to!

[BUSHSNAKE]

looking real nice Steve

[jitami]

Love them, Steve!

[Mommy2many]

I think they need to go thru "customs" in Connecticut first; on their way to Rhode Island!

[guidofatherof5]

Just before a shed they are less then awesome.
Dirty little radix.:D
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/dirty.jpg

[brain]

Just before a shed they are less then awesome.
Dirty little radix.:D
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/dirty.jpg

No here he looks blue not the black. Maybe the camera?

[MasSalvaje]

Just before a shed they are less then awesome.
Dirty little radix.:D

Steve I usually tend to agree with you, but in this case you are flat out wrong my friend! Even when they are in their "dirty" stage they look very good! Thanks for sharing.

-Thomas

[guidofatherof5]

Just having some fun. :D
I think they are awesome in any stage.

[Chondro788]

Steve I usually tend to agree with you, but in this case you are flat out wrong my friend! Even when they are in their "dirty" stage they look very good! Thanks for sharing.

-Thomas

Your right Thomas, they are awesome all the time!! Great looking snakes Steve, can't wait to see their babies!!!

[RedSidedSPR]

When is garter not awesome?

[guidofatherof5]

My 7 axanthics have been moved to their own enclosure.
Last night I checked on them and could only see 4 of them.
I paniced and pulled them out, searching the whole enclosure for the wayward snakes.
The missing little punks were under the substrate.

[chris-uk]

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one that has sieved through substrate looking for a "missing" snake. At least I was only looking for one.
Take care of those little ones, I'm still hoping that they may make it across to this side of the Atlantic. :-)

[katach]

My 7 axanthics have been moved to their own enclosure.
Last night I checked on them and could only see 4 of them.
I paniced and pulled them out, searching the whole enclosure for the wayward snakes.
The missing little punks were under the substrate.

Don't you love it when that happens!! When all they babies were here, about half loved to hide under the aspen bedding. Gives your heart a jump. :D

[chris-uk]

All of our checkereds like to burrow in the aspen. They've got their favourite spots now, so we know the most likely places to find them... that doesn't always mean that they are in those spots when you go looking for them though. :-)

[guidofatherof5]

Just shot a few photos. Thought I would share.
These little ones are awesome. The dorsals and laterals really pop on this guys.
Seeing them as adults is going to be something special.
I think these are the prettiest radixes I have.
No offense to any of my other snakes.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw3.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw41.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw51.jpg

[count dewclaw]

Wow!! Very stunning coloration.

[MasSalvaje]

All I can muster is WOW!!! Thanks for taking the time to share Steve!

-Thomas

[chris-uk]

You enjoy tormenting us with photos of these guys Steve. Love the colours on them. I'm going to pay some ninja mongooses to kidnap a few and bring them to the UK. :D

[guidofatherof5]

You enjoy tormenting us with photos of these guys Steve. Love the colours on them. I'm going to pay some ninja mongooses to kidnap a few and bring them to the UK. :D

This should be interesting.:D

[kibakiba]

Even the most highly trained ninja mongooses can't get though Steve's Ninja Radi of Doom.

[guidofatherof5]

Even the most highly trained ninja mongooses can't get though Steve's Ninja Radi of Doom.

and yet they try :D

[katach]

They are very awesome!

[chris-uk]

Did I also mention that the ninja mongooses are led by the Snakey Sith Lord, Darth Vetinari?

[kibakiba]

That army of ninja mongooses will be in for a surprise... The Ninja Radi of doom are led by the big monster snake, Speckle. She's a great leader... And she's stronger than anything in the whole universe so far!

:D


(radi sound better than radix/radixes in this case)

[PINJOHN]

Hey Steve we have all fallen for your axanthic but from reading these posts it looks as if Chris is really smitten, i will bet he is losing sleep, so we will have to come to some arrangement about me bringing some back when i visit you in 2013 elsewise i can give no guarantee's as to the state of his mental health,

come on now Chris take your tablet, it's important you don't miss your medication, come on Chris just take the tablet

[kibakiba]

Geez, John, where are you when I need to be coaxed into taking my meds? I go right loopy when I don't... But I'm pretty weird when I do! Hah.

[PINJOHN]

Geez, John, where are you when I need to be coaxed into taking my meds? I go right loopy when I don't... But I'm pretty weird when I do! Hah.

your reply sent my imagination off again Chantel hope you like this effort

when Chantel refused all her meds
a warning went out to the feds
cos although very strange
her demeanor would change
to an axe wielding dwarf
with two heads
:eek::eek::eek:

[kibakiba]

Haha! I think that describes me perfectly... On or off of meds... :D

[guidofatherof5]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bw11.jpg

[BUSHSNAKE]

Sencery overload

[EasternGirl]

Oh I want one! I want one!

[guidofatherof5]

They are sweet. Eating like pigs and shedding all the time.
I'm blessed to have them.

[EasternGirl]

They are beautiful!

[MasSalvaje]

Have I told anyone this is the best thread ever..................on any website! Thanks again Steve for sharing with us!!!

-Thomas

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks Thomas for those kind words.

[Jeff B]

Wow Steve, haven't checked these guys out for awhile, they look awesome. I will be shocked if they don't prove out to be a simple recessive axanthic. Would like to get some from you someday if you ever decide you want to part with any. Heck I would be happy to aquire just one male or female. Should be no surprise, but I have a few projects in mind, lol.

[BUSHSNAKE]

oh boy another snow...keep them all Steve

[Jeff B]

Nice assumption, but as usual not even close to being right. I don't even own a single albino or snow radix or even a het anymore to do that with, lol!!!

[BUSHSNAKE]

oh really, well great luck with that Jeff! Ill be looking forward to see with what you can come up with.

[ConcinusMan]

Wow Steve, haven't checked these guys out for awhile, they look awesome. I will be shocked if they don't prove out to be a simple recessive axanthic.

Think so? I'm not so sure, I was thinking simply polymorphism, but then again, I don't know all the details. They just don't look "mutated" to me, if that makes any sense.

[BUSHSNAKE]

ive never seen another radix that looked like that

[ConcinusMan]

It just seems so normal to me. So the stripes aren't yellow or orange. Not much else is different. Just seems like it isn't much of a stretch to appear that way.

[EasternGirl]

I think they are gorgeous. I want one and I want to name it "Oreo".

[BUSHSNAKE]

i think theyre awesome too, Steves a lucky one!:)

[chris-uk]

You're all out of luck, Steve's going to ship the whole B&W line to the UK. That's right isn't it Steve? ;)

[gregmonsta]

Trust you to conjure up one of these ;)

[Jeff B]

Think so? I'm not so sure, I was thinking simply polymorphism, but then again, I don't know all the details. They just don't look "mutated" to me, if that makes any sense.

Yeah, I'm definately not going to say I'm certain, and you could very well be right Richard just variability in the wild type. The thing that I noticed that struck me as a possible indication that they are something different was how stark clean white they are under the chin and belly. Shrug
I have a pair that I got from Scott that were from an his axanthic pairing, only no axanthics were produced in the litter, so I am hoping these "normals" are now isolated from the anery gene, yet carry the gene that when combined with anery makes that particular blue axanthic look. These two look very much like the "green hypo" radix that pop in certain areas. Anyway I think it would be worth crossing them to Steves axanthic and see what happens. I also have the classic blue axanthic female to cross to them. Who knows?

[ConcinusMan]

But is it white pigment, or a lack of pigment? That's what I meant when I said they don't look "mutated". I guess I can't really judge that from a picture. Your project idea sounds promising either way. Who knows what will pop up from that cross. Maybe something totally unique and never seen before. That would be awesome. Just when you think we've "used up" radixes to produce all the possible morphs...

[Jeff B]

Even if that phenotype isn't the result of lacking of reduced red and yellow, but rather an increase in white that still in my mind has tons of potiential because maybe crossed to the classic blue axanthic make a black snake with blue sides and a blue dorsal stripe, or crossed to anerythristic it would make a black snake with a bright silver/gray dorsal stripe and belly.
I'm guessing Steve, you have already considered crossing it to the red radix or the red albino to see what that would do? A red or pink or peach radix with a white dorsal would be sweet!

[guidofatherof5]

Here are a few photos from tonight's treat feed for these beauties.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw22.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw23.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw24.jpg

[BUSHSNAKE]

those are cool

[chris-uk]

Always good to see pics of these.

[EasternGirl]

So beautiful!

[snakehill]

Absolutely!!!! ;)

[Selkielass]

wow, they've grown!

[MasSalvaje]

Keep them coming Steve!

-Thomas

[guidofatherof5]

These little guys got a new roommate. I decided to move Kaboom in with them.
She looks beautiful and the added color makes a nice contrast to the B/W.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/bw_color.jpg

[EasternGirl]

What a beautiful contrast!

[BlueGarterz]

Wow Amazing! The colors found in nature are amazing! :eek:

[guidofatherof5]

Wow Amazing! The colors found in nature are amazing! :eek:

And the t.radix Ranch :D

[BUSHSNAKE]

awesome steveo

[GarterGuy17]

Her color looks very similar to a sirtalis parietalis very nice , love it :)

[chris-uk]

When we spoke yesterday I was hoping you'd go back and take a photo of Kaboom with her new roomies. They look as stunning together as I imagined, a wonderful illustration of variations within the same species.

[Selkielass]

Beautiful!
I was tempted to ask about Kaboom over in Boomerang's thread- glad to see she's doing well.
How many of the black and whites are there now?

[guidofatherof5]

Beautiful!
I was tempted to ask about Kaboom over in Boomerang's thread- glad to see she's doing well.
How many of the black and whites are there now?

7 born. 7 still doing well.

[EasternGirl]

That's great to hear.

[guidofatherof5]

7 born. 7 still doing well.

I should say the others from this group are doing very well also.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

It just seems so normal to me. So the stripes aren't yellow or orange. Not much else is different. Just seems like it isn't much of a stretch to appear that way.

That's the whole jist of a TRUE color mutation. The pattern remains unaltered!

[chris-uk]

Proof or the pudding comes in a few years, I'm not sure I can wait until these guys are old enough to breed to find out whether this B&W phenotype is predictably heritable. The fact that you got 7 of them and some other normals in the same litter implies a genetic mutation, or combination of recessive genes from the parents.

Steve, do you plan to breed the same parents again this year?

[guidofatherof5]

Steve, do you plan to breed the same parents again this year?

Yes I do.

[chris-uk]

Yes I do.
I assumed you would. Fingers-crossed for another good brood later in the year. :)

Up early for a Sunday Steve.

[PINJOHN]

Up early for a Sunday Steve.
probably a guilty conscience :p

[kibakiba]

He forgot to feed his Northwesterns their daily treat and their demonic chanting woke him up! :D

[guidofatherof5]

He forgot to feed his Northwesterns their daily treat and their demonic chanting woke him up! :D

Angelic chanting :D

[kibakiba]

I knew you were going to say that... Haha. :D

[katach]

They do love them some treats!! I feed Fish Bait today while all the others were hiding in their respective hides and only took a second for them all to come out and pester him while he ate. He's getting better at being picked up while eating.

[guidofatherof5]

Apparently this group has a running joke going on.
They know I do a head count (7 B/W) every time I feed them.
The joke is one will remain hidden in the substrate until I panic and pull the other 6 out. Then #7 pops his head out.
Some joke. Little jerks.

[EasternGirl]

I ruined a perfectly good set-up today that I had in Cee Cee's enclosure...I had it set up so nice. Seeley was in there with her and I couldn't find him anywhere...until, of course, I pulled everything out of the enclosure and found him curled up under the substrate in the back corner! That hasn't happened in a long time. I told Seeley that he had to put everything back exactly the way I had it...but he wouldn't listen to me.

[angrygamer]

Apparently this group has a running joke going on.
They know I do a head count (7 B/W) every time I feed them.
The joke is one will remain hidden in the substrate until I panic and pull the other 6 out. Then #7 pops his head out.
Some joke. Little jerks.

Wow, I CANNOT imagine trying to take care of 7...it sounds like you even have more. One keeps me plenty busy.

[guidofatherof5]

Wow, I CANNOT imagine trying to take care of 7...it sounds like you even have more. One keeps me plenty busy.

You are very astute.
I do have a couple other snakes. :D

[katach]

a couple thousand!

[guidofatherof5]

That is a just an unsubstantiated rumor.;)

[katach]

sure it is!

[angrygamer]

You are very astute.
I do have a couple other snakes. :D

It's nice to know I'm not the only one that gets the, "holy crap! Where did my snake go!" feeling, I can only imagine multiplying that by x(insert # of snakes).

[RicMartin]

I think Steve is counting them just in case one of them had a little cannibalistic moment.
My scrubs this year are so well behaved I'm very relaxed about them, but last year I was
waking them up for a head count regularly, I just had to make sure, you know?

[RicMartin]

They are truly amazing. Can I grab a photo from here for the pos. morph list, Steve?

[guidofatherof5]

They are truly amazing. Can I grab a photo from here for the pos. morph list, Steve?

Grab away.

[PINJOHN]

Wow, I CANNOT imagine trying to take care of 7...it sounds like you even have more. One keeps me plenty busy.
:eek: does Steve have more.....did elvis like burgers???

[EasternGirl]

Lol...Don't worry Travis...I have those panicky "where-did-my-snake-go" moments too. :eek: Steve, no wonder you never sleep...lol.

[ConcinusMan]

That is a just an unsubstantiated rumor.;)

Yeah right.

"Mr. Gilfillan said he bought 10,500 mice from MiceDirect early this year, delivered to his door. He keeps them in the freezer compartment of a basement refrigerator."

And that's just the mice!:eek:

I think it's safe to assume that one does not buy and store this much snake food for "a couple of snakes" :rolleyes:

Added to the Recall List - Millions of Frozen Mice - NYTimes.com (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/business/global/30mice.html)

[EasternGirl]

Is that Steve in that pic? Nice little snakes in that pic!

[snakehill]

I was going to order from MiceDirect but my order would not go through so I ordered them from RodentPro instead. maybe this was a good thing! ;)

[ConcinusMan]

I don't see what difference it makes. Who cares if there was a salmonella contamination. There are no implications other than what I would do normally, and that is, wash your hands after handling mice and snakes, and store them separate from food meant for human consumption. People who were getting sick obviously failed to do that. It's not a coincidence that most of the people sickened were under age 12.

[guidofatherof5]

I was going to order from MiceDirect but my order would not go through so I ordered them from RodentPro instead. maybe this was a good thing! ;)

I know the owner of Mice Direct and it's a good company. ;)

[EasternGirl]

I was thinking about it this way...at least we know that MiceDirect is now taking measures to ensure that their mice do not have salmonella...we can't be sure that the other companies are doing the same.

[katach]

I buy from Layne Labs. They are out of CA. Much cheaper shipping for me.

[snakehill]

I was going to order from MiceDirect but my order would not go through so I ordered them from RodentPro instead. maybe this was a good thing! ;)I didn't mean to imply that they aren't a great company. Like I said I was going to order from them but for some reason (after several tries) my order wouldn't go through. I needed pinks so I had to order from RodentPro. This was my first order by the way. It's amazing how they pack them! :)

[guidofatherof5]

I thought this was a nice photo to show some contrast.

That B/W mixed with the red radixes sure looks nice.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/nice_contrast.jpg

[kimbosaur]

The black & whites are gorgeous but....those reds are stealing the show!!

[BUSHSNAKE]

awesome

[guidofatherof5]

The black & whites are gorgeous but....those reds are stealing the show!!

It's the only time I don't mind being in the red.;):D

[katach]

I would love to have one of those B&W. They are just so beautiful!

[InsanePirateDragon]

I have to agree, beautiful little guys. You're making me jealous with all those pretty babies.

[EasternGirl]

All of them are gorgeous! Both the black and whites and the reds...

[Dan72]

They are truly amazing. Can I grab a photo from here for the pos. morph list, Steve?

What possible morph list??? Is that something I can view...:rolleyes:..... great thread Steve. Just read the entire thing and now all I can think of is that I have time to collect and love the morphs that are proven already while the next wave of morphs prepare to take over the world. It seems only fair that the effect that these guys are having on everyone should come from the ranch. I don't know anyone with more love of garters, but most of all radix...;).... awesome looking group.

[guidofatherof5]

I think this is what you're looking for.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/breeding/9237-morph-timeline.html

[Eight]

Have you got albino T.radix? I haven't read the whole thread pm this may have been said already, but it would be interesting to see some snow radix :)

[Dan72]

I think this is what you're looking for.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/breeding/9237-morph-timeline.html

That was it, thanks

[EasternGirl]

Sam...I have a snow radix...Here is a pic...this is Possum:

.5015 Not the best pic, but he is very, very wiggly. He actually has a neurological disorder. I'll try to get better pics of him soon. I have a video of him on my youtube channel if you are interested. Possum - YouTube (http://youtu.be/VEp5Nm2Dt8w)

[Invisible Snake]

Hey Marnie, Possum looks great :)

What kind of neurological disorder does he have?

[Dan72]

Marnie, neurological? How do you know, what are the ramifications of such a thing? Does it have anything to do w/ being snow?


Amazing snake!!

[Eight]

I would imagine it has less to do with being a snow and more about the inbreeding used to make a snow. That's a real shame but it still looks to be a great little guy. How long have you had him for?

[Eight]

Oh and i love the vid. Looks like a sweet little guy :)

[EasternGirl]

Thanks guys. I know that he has a neuro disorder because he already had it when he was given to me by my breeder. My breeder had taken him in from another member and was going to keep him if he couldn't find a home for him...but offered him to me, knowing I would give him a good home. We aren't absolutely sure what caused the neuro disorder but suspect it did have something to do with the inbreeding necessary to produce albinos...this kind of neuro disorder happens sometimes with albinos. He tends to turn upside down a lot or to slither sideways. Sometimes he sleeps upside down...and he twists himself in knots a lot. His head shakes a little too. Other than that, he is perfectly healthy...he can eat, drink, climb...swim. He is very sweet. I have had him since March...and he was just shy of a year old when I got him. He is in an enclosure with my albino checkered, Hermes...and they will soon be getting another roomie...an albino red-sided.

[ConcinusMan]

I think you might have "my" snow there. I got 3 from Julio last year and sold them last summer but i sent this guy as a freebie. The other two were "flawless". Healthy little guy and doing very well, its just that he had this head tilt/tremor and every now and then he would actually slither upside down. quite a lovable character.

i have video of them on my youtube channel. maybe you'll recognize him. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Pun8hwUJnM&list=UUCtGJ_qv-_Klff1aI8C5kLQ 'nuff said, we should probably get back on topic.:o

EDIT: just watched your vid. thats him alright!

[EasternGirl]

Yep..Richard...I believe I do...Jason did say Julio and Richard. He is an awesome snake...I love him so much. I kept meaning to say something to you about it because I thought he was yours. Well...you'll be happy to know that he is in a good home and being spoiled rotten. He has an albino checkered roomie that he loves...and he just ate a big plate of pinky and worms and then curled his fat self around his buddy and went to sleep. :) Okay...sorry...back to the topic!

[EasternGirl]

Sorry..one more thing..Richard...I just watched your video and the funny thing is I had actually googled your video and watched it when I was looking up info on snow plains right before Jason sent Possum to me...little did I know I was actually watching my future snake in the video! That's too funny...

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, i know, it is funny. Jason bought the snows and the iowa plains (from julio's red albino plains pair) in the video, and a few others, from me last Sept. I got them from Julio's litters last summer.

I didn't really want to part with them. plans changed and it was just too much to move all my stuff 1500 miles to CA and deal with moving the snakes too. :(

[tress29]

I have a '11 erythristic eastern that had a neurological problem as well. He'd have a hard time controlling his neck, wobbling side to side a lot. He'd miss the food sometimes when he'd strike. Well last week, he grabbed a piece of fish about 3 times the size of his head, raised it above the substrate, and took off with it. (He was worried about the radix grabbing it.) In Zach's case, he seems to have grown out out of the problem. Maybe with some growth the muscles are stronger?

P.S. After he gobbled down his fish, he took off after the radix and tried to wrestle his piece away from him. I better cut them a little smaller next time!

[kueluck]

Those have got to be the classiest garters I’ve seen. I think old b/w movie star names would fit them well. Well done Steve, well done.

[EasternGirl]

Yes...sorry about the diversion of topic Steve...I love the black and white radixes...they are gorgeous. Perhaps we could see a new pic soon? If anyone wants to discuss snows or neuro disorders further, I would be happy to, please take the discussion over to my thread: http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/9846-marnies-snakes-55.html

Again Steve...I apologize for hijaking your thread.

[guidofatherof5]

Not a problem. Thanks.

[RicMartin]

Steve, I just stole that B&W&RED photo and I'm working it into a poster. Let's get that old project done.

[guidofatherof5]

Sounds good. Anything I can do to help?

[RicMartin]

Thanks Steve, If you have any other morph or pos. morph pictures that you'd like to share, that will help. I don't have many morphs (1 blue, 1snow, 1 albino), so my photos are mostly of hets. But let me do this one poster today, and then we can talk about it.

[Dan72]

Hmmmmm....... I'm curious:confused:.

[ConcinusMan]

ooh, ooh, put Amy in it!

[Invisible Snake]

Steve how about some new pics of those black and white beauties :D

[guidofatherof5]

Not a problem. I'll get them in the next couple of days.;)

[Dan72]

So Steve.......pics:rolleyes:. How are these guys doing? I love them, I bet they look amazing. We already know they're in good hands. Please help us addicts out and give us a blk/wht fix. Please, please, please...... (I think I speak for all of us):cool:

[guidofatherof5]

I'll take care of this request soon. Busy with my oldest daughter's H.S graduation which is tomorrow.

[Dan72]

Congrats on that! Congrats to the graduate as well, big day in a young persons life, and a proud day for you!! Congrats Steve!!

[brain]

A job well done dad.

[guidofatherof5]

As they grow they get more stunning.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw1.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

When I got into their enclosure I was approached by one of these beauties. I was taken back by just how nice looking these snakes are.
The photos don't do them justice as it doesn't capture the "Pop" of the white.
A couple years from now I'll be holding a full grown version. I look forward to those times.

[katach]

:eek: Just amazing! Some day when you have proven these out and are willing to part, I would love to give one a wonderful home. I know this could be a very very long time, maybe never, but I can hope. :D

[Dan72]

Amazing Steve! One of the best looking radix I've ever seen.

[guidofatherof5]

Amazing Steve! One of the best looking radix I've ever seen.

They do "got it going on" Thanks.

[Dan72]

I think I've been hypnotized, all I do is go back and look at these photos over and over. Love these radix!

[guidofatherof5]

You unlock this door with the key of imagination. Beyond it is another dimension - a dimension of sound, a dimension of sight, a dimension of mind. You're moving into a land of both shadow and substance, of things and ideas. You've just crossed over into the radix zone.

♪Oh, ho, ho it's radix magic, you know
Never believe it's not so
It's magic, you know
Never believe it's not so.♪

[chris-uk]

Nuts! The lot of you are nuts.
Remember Steve, you won't see the mongoose snatch squad until it's too late.

[guidofatherof5]

Nuts! The lot of you are nuts.
Remember Steve, you won't see the mongoose snatch squad until it's too late.

My security system is in place and I have total confidence it my ninja radixes.
Your squad will never get close.:D They will be aloud to penetrate the perimeter but by then it's too late for them.
The trap will be sprung and they will be sent home, defeat.:D

[guidofatherof5]

Thought I'd post a photo to show all is well with the B/W 7.
They continue to grow and look beautiful.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//745/medium/bw12.jpg

[kibakiba]

They look like little oreos.... Yum!

[ProXimuS]

They look like little oreos.... Yum!


Yummy!

[chris-uk]

Is it the light in the photo, or is there a hint of peachy colour in the white?