gravid T.sirtalis(flame x red phase)

[BUSHSNAKE]

This is an old female that has never been bred. She is a flame and red phase cross, some people call the red phase erythristic. The male was a normal wild caught. The outcome should be interesting Enjoy

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice, Joe.

[gregmonsta]

She's a looker ;)

[Chondro788]

SWEET Joe!!!!

[ConcinusMan]

You don't want that ugly ol' thing. I'll take her off your hands. What are friends for?

[ssssnakeluvr]

sweet!! looking forward to those babies!

[Jeff B]

This is an old female that has never been bred. She is a flame and red phase cross, some people call the red phase erythristic. The male was a normal wild caught. The outcome should be interesting Enjoy

Using the reasoning "occur naturally" to call it a red phase VARIANT as opposed to a erythristic morph, doesn't really have any validity or ruling for scientific nomenclature, as all morphs are naturally occuring, and most if not all base morphs came from the wild population, other than a few that popped up in captive collections. By even the strictest genetics definition a variant is a morph and a morph is a variant.
Really all you are sayin is that you prefer tomahto and oppose the norm tomato.

You say eether and I say eyether,
You say neether and I say nyther;
Eether, eyether, neether, nyther,
Let's call the whole thing off!
You like potato and I like potahto,
You like tomato and I like tomahto;
Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto!

Seriously, that is a beautiful snake Joe, best of luck with her, hope she makes lots of beautiful babies.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Maybe i should explain by what i meant by naturally occuring...If you were in the Flames natural range(which we know is Canada)you have a good chance in finding one...If you were in the Red Phases natural range(which are mostly found in the Carolinas)and specially the areas we know they are found, i think you have a good chance finding one. Thamnophis elegans terrestris, Thamnophis radix, Thamnophis melanogaster canescens,Thamnophis sirtalis pickeringii and Thamnophis ordinoides also have red varients. Thamnophis species are some of the most variable serpents on the planet, are they not

[ConcinusMan]

Even where they occur your chances are pretty slim of finding red T. radix or T. ordinoides. By contrast, it seems that nice red flames are not hard at all to find where they are known to occur. Some morphs are found very infrequently in populations where they occur while other morphs are the dominant phenotype in certain locations. Of course, your odds of finding certain morphs, even where known to occur, is affected by the nature of the gene(s) responsible. (dominant, codominant, recessive, combo, etc.) Maybe not relevant to the current discussion. Just thought I would add that.

EDIT: I would call a "snow" a "morph" but I wouldn't call it a "naturally occurring variant" if that makes any sense.

[Jeff B]

Even where they occur your chances are pretty slim of finding red T. radix or T. ordinoides. By contrast, it seems that nice red flames are not hard at all to find where they are known to occur. Some morphs are found very infrequently in populations where they occur while other morphs are the dominant phenotype in certain locations. Of course, your odds of finding certain morphs, even where known to occur, is affected by the nature of the gene(s) responsible. (dominant, codominant, recessive, combo, etc.) Maybe not relevant to the current discussion. Just thought I would add that.

EDIT: I would call a "snow" a "morph" but I wouldn't call it a "naturally occurring variant" if that makes any sense.

I would "technically" not call a snow a morph but rather I would call it a combo morph because it is the combination of two base morphs.

[ConcinusMan]

I would "technically" not call a snow a morph but rather I would call it a combo morph because it is the combination of two base morphs.

Point taken. I'll keep that in mind next time.

[BUSHSNAKE]

updated pics

[guidofatherof5]

She's chunking out.
I meant that as a compliment.:D

[ConcinusMan]

Holy crud Joe, looks like she could give my Big Bertha a run for her money. A couple of more weeks and she'll be dragging herself around like her tail is attached to a ball and chain. She gained 370 grams already and feels like she's full of lead. Looks like your girl already is all but immobilized. She's carrying a lot of luggage alright.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i love it when theyre big and fat!

[ConcinusMan]

... and when you pick them up, they feel like they're full of lead.:p

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Looking good.