New albino!

[rwgsnakes]

i just got another albino checkered garter, im pretty sure they are both females---new and old one---which i guess it is better than two males but not as good as male and female

i can get some pics soon.

Thanks,
Justin

[KITKAT]

We'll be eager to see em!

It is generally easier to buy a male to go with females, than it is to find a female for a male... :rolleyes:

[rwgsnakes]

question about genetics.....if i were to buy a male checkered garter (reg) and breed it with one female, unless he was het there would be no albino, but what if i then breed the male with the other female and took a g1 from each female and bred them, would that work?

i know the pic stink but....
checkers, the one i have had, is the second one
Females right?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/ribbonsnakeyy/Checkers/000_0594.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/ribbonsnakeyy/Checkers/000_0593.jpg

checkers is the larger one
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/ribbonsnakeyy/000_0596.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g168/ribbonsnakeyy/000_0595.jpg

dont worry better ones are coming!

[Cazador]

Statistically speaking, 25% of your G2 would be albinos, and 66% of the normal-looking G2 would be hets.

[rwgsnakes]

would it be ok though, because they would basically be like brother and sister...just wondering if that messes them up like us :)

[alex_c]

Statistically speaking, 25% of your G2 would be albinos, and 66% of the normal-looking G2 would be hets.

In all the statistics that I know of I don't know how you got 25% and 66% (25+66=91). What about the other 9%?:confused:

[Thamnophis]

would it be ok though, because they would basically be like brother and sister...just wondering if that messes them up like us :)

This does not have to give any problems. Often are morphs the result of brother x sister or father x daughter etc.
If you have a chance to require an animal that is not related, you best do so.
But it always is gambling when you start breeding with morphs that are related.
They are selcted on their color or so and not if they are healthy or so.

[Stefan-A]

In all the statistics that I know of I don't know how you got 25% and 66% (25+66=91). What about the other 9%?:confused:
Doesn't work that way. I assume he meant that 25% would be albinos, 75% normals. Of the normals 66% would be hets.

[Snaky]

Congratulations with the addition to the collection.:)

In general I'd do the same what Thamnophis suggests. It's better to acquire unrelated bloodlines if that's possible. There is however a lot of inbreeding with morphs, but I'm still not convinced that this will not give problems in the long run (so for future generations).

What rick means is indeed that 66% of the regular looking snakes ( which are 75% of the young ) are het. But there is no way to tell if the snake is het or not, there will be no distinctive mark between the regular looking young ones.

[drache]

"problems" is really a matter of degree
essentially, by inbreeding, one narrows the amount of genetic material available and thus there is a greater chance of getting stuck with some weakened trait
highly inbred animals tend to be less robust than animals with more divers genetic backgrounds
these are just tendencies

there was something else I wanted to say . . .
under-slept

[Cazador]

"there was something else I wanted to say . . .
under-slept

Was it that inbreeding increases the likelihood (or probability) of having deleterious effects, but it doesn't guarantee that there will be problems?

Also, thanks to Hans and Stefan for clarifying my post. You're right on the money ;). I should have included more detail.

Rick