can you help I.d the ribbon please :)

[gartergal]

this is a ribbon i acquired when i went to pick up 2 checkered garters
with stubbing tails
stubby tail :(
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1793.jpg
ribbon <3
all i was told is that he is a male and theyve been eating live guppies so i really hope they will get on to eating pinkies , trout ,samon, lobworms *fingers crossed*
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1697.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1710.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1732-1.jpg

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1734-1.jpg
thankyou!

[ConcinusMan]

Thamnophis proximus orarius. Gulf Coast Ribbon Snake. Common in the coastal areas of Texas. I occasionally find them for sale in pet stores in Washington and Oregon.

[gregmonsta]

Adult male ;) and looks a good match for my Panama ... definitely western ... I would say proximus orarious too. Probably from a Fauna import and advertised as sauritus in the shops most likely.
Could you get me a clearer shot mid-body? As close as poss.

P.S. stubby tails shouldn't cause a problem (it can impede males during mating though). It does mean that the previous owners weren't vigilant enough at shedding times.

[gregmonsta]

Another thing .... more than likely originally WC and you may want to do a fecal screen just for piece of mind ;)

[gartergal]

Another thing .... more than likely originally WC and you may want to do a fecal screen just for piece of mind ;)

:O
ooo noo ok
yes he is a male !

[gartergal]

Adult male ;) and looks a good match for my Panama ... definitely western ... I would say proximus orarious too. Probably from a Fauna import and advertised as sauritus in the shops most likely.
Could you get me a clearer shot mid-body? As close as poss.

P.S. stubby tails shouldn't cause a problem (it can impede males during mating though). It does mean that the previous owners weren't vigilant enough at shedding times.

i cant seem to get the right setting for his blue-ness its either to dull or to bright lol
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1781-1.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j403/asharliiiieee/IMGP1734-1-1.jpg

iv cropped them down dont know if thats any better for you?
lol i might let you borrow him ;]

[ConcinusMan]

Another thing .... more than likely originally WC and you may want to do a fecal screen just for piece of mind ;)

Good idea. I tell you what though, around where I live, there's not much need to go through that expense even if there was a vet that would see our garters. (there isn't) It's all but guaranteed the snakes have worms. It goes with their diet of amphibians and fish. In most it doesn't cause any issues but at worst, tape worms especially, do cause problems.

A lot of us around here just dose them anyway, (no vet visit) with Pancur and/or Praziquantel (being cautious not to overdose) if they're wild-caught. They nearly always pass worms when we do.

[gartergal]

Good idea. I tell you what though, around where I live, there's not much need to go through that expense even if there was a vet that would see our garters. (there isn't) It's all but guaranteed the snakes have worms. It goes with their diet of amphibians and fish. In most it doesn't cause any issues but at worst, tape worms especially, do cause problems.

A lot of us around here just dose them anyway (being cautious not to overdose) if they're wild-caught. They nearly always pass worms when we do.

its been fed on live guppies all the time so im slightly apprehensive about how hes going to feed , my garters have pinkies-fluffs trout and samon , nothing ever alive ( sometimes lobworms ) so i hope itl be a easy transition i doubt it will though lol

[ConcinusMan]

Well, the live fish is a good source of parasites but if you feed them trout and salmon (some of us even feed WC amphibians) be sure that it is frozen at 0 degrees or colder prior to thawing and feeding it to your snakes. That takes care of the worm risk.

A lot of these WC ribbons come with parasites and also won't eat anything but live fish. Like I said, in most cases if they are eating well and otherwise seem healthy, they can live with a moderate parasite load with no apparent harm.

[gartergal]

do you think it will take to trout /samon or even pinkies though after its been eating live fish ? lol cause it wont be eating live fish at my house

[ConcinusMan]

I don't really know. I've never kept ribbons. I do know that with any garters I've ever kept, the fish eaters didn't care if it is dead. However, from what people tell me, including the pet store keepers, ribbons are more visual hunters and they can be hard to convert to dead food. The local petco wanted to get the ribbons off of goldfish after I told them how bad it can be for them. They were able to get a few of them to take f/t silversides but they had to hold them in tongs and make them wiggle.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

My Red striped ribbons (thamnophis proximus rubrilineatus) eat defrosted, unscented pinks like they are CANDY!!! Of course... I did produce them myself and have raised them from the time of their birth. They are extremely tame and are pretty much exactly like any other garter snake in every way.... since they are tame, non-wiggly, and eat pinkies, I can find nothing that makes them different from my other garters! I started mine on live fish as babies, swtched them to dead chopped fish, and then I started sneaking pinky bits into the chopped fish. Soon i realized that since they know that if it's on the tongs, it's food, they dont care and now they are at the point where they will sit in my hands and eat a pinky that has had no contact with any fish. In fact, on one occasion I was feeding both fish and pinks and the ribbons went for the pinks first!

[gregmonsta]

iv cropped them down dont know if thats any better for you?
lol i might let you borrow him ;]

:rolleyes: bigger pics work better for zooming in for detail. I'll settle for proximus orarius though ;)

PS - I'm too greedy :p probably safer if I track down my own.

[gartergal]

:rolleyes: bigger pics work better for zooming in for detail. I'll settle for proximus orarius though ;)

PS - I'm too greedy :p probably safer if I track down my own.

lol would you end up keeping him ? :eek: lol

[gregmonsta]

Probably not :P .... but I would be tempted .... muhahahahaha