Awaiting the Pop [Archive] - Garter Snake Forum

guidofatherof5

11-14-2010, 04:23 PM

This is LG(Lucky's girl) She is gravid and we are expecting babies soon.
From the looks of that belly and the scale spread it could be anytime now.
I don't have a conception date so any time goes.
LG is a very aggressive feeder and has been placed with this large group to calm her down.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/lg.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/lg1.jpg

HazAnga

11-14-2010, 06:18 PM

holy crap Steve she's huge, I can't wait to see what the babies look like. If only someone was able to ship to me over the border... :( ohh well give me time and I'll find myself with another garter :).... or 2.

guidofatherof5

11-14-2010, 06:44 PM

holy crap Steve she's huge, I can't wait to see what the babies look like.

The photo is deceiving. She's a first time mom. She's not a full adult yet.
Her being gravid was a surprise and a pleasant one at that. I hoped to breed her this Spring with a male of my choice but she had other ideas.
In any event her babies will be very welcome here on the Ranch.

HazAnga

11-14-2010, 07:30 PM

lol I bet, both my females had babies this past summer and it was unexpected, mind you they were in with a male and it was bound to happen but none of them were quite a year old yet. so it did come to quite a surprise, and i expected Tina to be the only one to pop but they both did.

infernalis

11-14-2010, 08:40 PM

Congrats....

zooplan

11-15-2010, 12:15 AM

She´s looking like a cycle tyre:D
She will not just pop but explode!

infernalis

11-15-2010, 04:44 AM

Steve must be going for the "Last litter of 2010" award. :)

zooplan

11-15-2010, 04:57 AM

Steve must be going for the "Last litter of 2010" award. :)

Never heard about that!
What would be the win bonus of it?

Mexicofan

11-15-2010, 06:03 AM

What would be the win bonus of it?
A Sixpack Corona Beer?:rolleyes:

guidofatherof5

11-15-2010, 06:22 AM

Never heard about that!
What would be the win bonus of it?

A Sixpack Corona Beer?:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm a tea-toadler;)
A box of Earl Gray would work.:D

zooplan

11-15-2010, 06:30 AM

I would take the beer ( for my wife )...
though one of my females seems still gravid too ;)

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 02:46 PM

She popped. More info. later.

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 02:50 PM

10 healthy scrubs. More coming.

Barak666

11-23-2010, 02:58 PM

Good news!!! :D I'm happy for you. show us pics when you can.

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 03:59 PM

We're holding at 14 babies. I think she may have one or 2 more. Although it could just be clean out contraction.

indigoman

11-23-2010, 04:18 PM

Great news Steve! Also glad to read about getting your replacement for free.

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 04:25 PM

Thanks for reminding me about what a good day I've really had.;)

HazAnga

11-23-2010, 04:52 PM

awesome Steve, looking forward to seeing some pix soon.

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 04:56 PM

I'd love to post them but still can't due to the server problem.

HazAnga

11-23-2010, 05:00 PM

can't post a pic on the site? why not upload them to photobucket or something then copy the img link in?
that's all i do, i upload my photo's to photobucket (usually from the celly) then post the proper img link into the forum.

kibakiba

11-23-2010, 05:03 PM

I used imageshack for the pictures of Tiny, photobucket wasn't working for me.

Anyway, I cant wait to see the babies. :D

Mommy2many

11-23-2010, 06:43 PM

I wanna see baby pictures!!!
Ok, I'm whining...

HazAnga

11-23-2010, 09:18 PM

see what you've done Steve... Le Ann's crying... and Chantel is probably jumping up and down waiting for pix.

guidofatherof5

11-23-2010, 10:19 PM

I'm going to be patient and wait for the server problem to be fixed.

I've got some really cool birthing photos.
You should see them:D

kibakiba

11-24-2010, 12:11 AM

I jumped up and down until I got acid reflux.... :( Still no pics, awwww.

zooplan

11-24-2010, 12:24 AM

Happy Birthday to them!
Cogratulations to the breeder, too.

So Wayne and me are left for the " Last litter of the year" contest:cool:

guidofatherof5

11-24-2010, 06:09 AM

Sorry, both of you will have to battle for "The first litter of the new year".:D
I've got this year sewed up.:D I hope.

gregmonsta

11-24-2010, 06:58 AM

Congrats :D

guidofatherof5

11-24-2010, 07:04 AM

I think the final count is 16. Babies are looking great. I'm letting them have a nice warm 24 hours before I start messing with them.
Mom is doing fine.
I've got a shipment of worms due in today and mama will get the first food, if she wants it.

guidofatherof5

11-24-2010, 04:03 PM

LG is back to eating and looking great.
It looks like she'll make a great breeder.
She's had some salmon and night crawlers.

ConcinusMan

11-24-2010, 04:48 PM

I used imageshack for the pictures of Tiny, photobucket wasn't working for me.

Anyway, I cant wait to see the babies. :D

That's because photobucket is a bucket of.. well, nevermind. You all know how I feel about photobucket.

Congrats Steve! wow, mom sure is a darkie.

Mommy2many

11-24-2010, 05:47 PM

Great news! Glad everyone is doing well.

HazAnga

11-24-2010, 09:32 PM

awesome news Steve. I'm thinking that this summer I'm gunna take the lady to the states this summer and maybe... just maybe... a trip to the ranch is in order! depending on how and where things lead us...

ssssnakeluvr

11-24-2010, 09:33 PM

That's because photobucket is a bucket of.. well, nevermind. You all know how I feel about photobucket.

Congrats Steve! wow, mom sure is a darkie.
I have had no problems with photobucket...have a free account and around 700 photos on there and lots of room left! I use it regularly too

HazAnga

11-24-2010, 09:35 PM

I have had no problems with photobucket...have a free account and around 700 photos on there and lots of room left! I use it regularly too

I havn't had any problems with it either, I take photo's with my cell and upload them to photobucket with their Android app. Makes life much easier, I hate being unorganized... computer things anyway... rather not go through hundreds of pix or songs not being able to find something, when you know it's there.

zooplan

11-25-2010, 10:55 AM

My gravid female refused feeding today.
She´s crawling to all corners of her enclosure, like she´s searching for any lost treasure.

guidofatherof5

11-25-2010, 10:56 AM

For my radixes, restlessness is as sign of impending delivery.

ConcinusMan

11-25-2010, 11:15 AM

That only happens occasionally with concinnus. Most of the time they just find a comfy spot and just pop.

guidofatherof5

11-25-2010, 06:01 PM

Here's a few from the birthing time.
This first photo shows a shed starting on the head and just behind that the egg sack. The second photo is my favorite. This little one was holding his head up taking in some air.
These snakes had more blood in their cords than any other babies I've ever seen. The cords were large and full.

http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/newlife4.jpghttp://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/newlife.jpg
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/newlife2.jpghttp://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/newlife1.jpg

HazAnga

11-25-2010, 08:56 PM

Awesome pix Steve. I've never seen anything like it.

ssssnakeluvr

11-25-2010, 09:02 PM

awesome pics Steve!! :cool:

zooplan

11-25-2010, 11:28 PM

stunning!
Your favorie picture doesn´t deal with the snake size:D
You maust have been close to touching the babies with your camera;)

gregmonsta

11-26-2010, 08:22 AM

Love those pics ;)

guidofatherof5

11-26-2010, 08:50 AM

stunning!
Your favorie picture doesn´t deal with the snake size:D
You maust have been close to touching the babies with your camera;)

Sony with a macro lens.

ConcinusMan

11-26-2010, 01:46 PM

It's definitely the macro lens. You cannot take good pics if you're very close to the subject.

guidofatherof5

11-26-2010, 02:31 PM

I offered some food to the babies today. None of them would come out of their hide to try it so I put the food under the hide.
30 minutes later the dish was empty. Not everyone ate but there were a number of full bellies. I'll try again tomorrow.

ConcinusMan

11-26-2010, 07:14 PM

Weird. I've said it before, the only baby garters ever born under my care were ordinoides and concinnus and that's been many times. None of them have ever eaten or showed any interest before days 7-12. :confused:

Those garbage gut radixes don't waste any time do they?

zooplan

11-27-2010, 12:38 AM

None of them have ever eaten or showed any interest before days 7-12. :confused:
Those garbage gut radixes don't waste any time do they?

Thats interesting! I would become nervous, if the whole of a cluth refuse eating for two weeks. I use to offer first feed at the second or third day of life to my offspring and expect 60 to 90% success.

guidofatherof5

11-27-2010, 12:45 AM

Thats interesting! I would become nervous, if the whole of a cluth refuse eating for two weeks. I use to offer first feed at the second or third day of life to my offspring and expect 60 to 90% success.

That sounds like the same kind of schedule I use.

ConcinusMan

11-27-2010, 02:06 PM

You know, I keep hearing that, but much as I expected, even though I offered, none of the concinnus or ordinoides babies took food before day 6 this year, and that was only 2 or 3 of them. The rest took food during days 7-12. I haven't actually kept track of the one's that didn't make it, but so far I'd say around 70% have survived that I know of. The few that have died right here under my care were small and weak right from the start.

The small concinnus litter I had (only 7 babies) were born exceptionally large. They showed no interest in food before day 14. Only lost one of those. The other litters, born much smaller, have caught up to them in size since then.:cool:

HazAnga

11-27-2010, 09:29 PM

so far from one breeding I've had 100% success. I'm working on the runt who will only eat guppied... regardless... it's a pain in the butt.

guidofatherof5

11-28-2010, 08:39 AM

so far from one breeding I've had 100% success. I'm working on the runt who will only eat guppied... regardless... it's a pain in the butt.

But well worth it.
Keep us posted on the runts progress.

indigoman

11-28-2010, 10:24 AM

My runt marcianus was so shy he would have to be left in seclusion with his food before he would eat an then he would only eat afew bites. Well he's still the runt but of course he gets my special attention! I was scared he would not make it for awhile but he seems quite strong now. hope yours does the same!

ConcinusMan

11-28-2010, 02:01 PM

so far from one breeding I've had 100% success. I'm working on the runt who will only eat guppied... regardless... it's a pain in the butt.

I've received a baby snake or two that was like that. I had no trouble at all getting them to eat dead fish (silversides pieces). The way I did it was to wait until they are hunkered down in their favorite hide, in privacy, and put the food in there with them.

HazAnga

11-28-2010, 02:24 PM

I need to find out what bait shops carry the silversides which are bigger and hopefully then it'll git bigger and easier to feed other things. It's just slow progress.

ConcinusMan

11-28-2010, 02:32 PM

I have some huge silversides right now, average size about 10 inches.(arctic pond smelt) San Fransisco Bay Brand - Sally's silversides. Comes in a flat, packed in water so they stay nice and fresh. They smell and look better than most other brands I can buy, and they are very big. Many of the fish are loaded with eggs too. Snakes seem to like them better than other brands.

HazAnga

11-28-2010, 03:10 PM

could those be purchased at a Metro or something like that... the only thing is that this runt is maybe double the size of a newborn... so large guppies would be perfect... but i don't have any and they can be hard to come by...

ConcinusMan

11-28-2010, 03:27 PM

I was wondering why you were insisting on a bait shop. Their "silversides" are often contaminated with parasites and other nasties, sick fish, and they often don't even know what species of fish they are selling, or they are actually a mixture of several fish. There's only one "silverside" that's safe for garters and those are arctic pond smelt.

I get mine at a pet store freezer. They are intended for feeding predatory aquarium fish and so are disease free and healthy fish. Can't say that about a bait shop.

HazAnga

11-28-2010, 03:31 PM

ok i didn't know. I will ask my local pet store if they can order any in, I know they don't have any because i used to work there... lol
thx for clarifying me on that ConcinnusMan

guidofatherof5

11-30-2010, 09:36 PM

Tonight I took 2 small night crawlers and cut them up for the babies.
I put it under their hide and waited about 5 minutes.
With my camera in hand I moved the hide to fined.............. all the food gone and full bellies on most of the scrubs. I should have cut more worms.
These babies are doing great. Another week and they will have to start coming out for food. Most will start hand feeding in the next few week.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/2010.jpg

guidofatherof5

11-30-2010, 10:39 PM

Sorry about the stupid typo.
I meant to type "find" not "fined". I guess I don't have all the cop out of me yet.:D

zooplan

12-01-2010, 12:11 AM

Fined for hiding?
fined for feeding?

You could earn a lot of money from that, if they had purses:D

guidofatherof5

12-01-2010, 12:18 AM

I'll never hit it big(money wise). The story of my life.:D

HazAnga

12-01-2010, 05:50 AM

Lol you were an officer of the law once Steve?

guidofatherof5

12-01-2010, 06:05 AM

Lol you were an officer of the law once Steve?

27.5 years. Then I retired 5 months ago. Happy time.;)

guidofatherof5

12-01-2010, 06:41 PM

While visiting LG and all her friends I saw this little stillborn radix behind the water dish.
LG must have passed it last night. It looks as if it's still in its egg sack.
The final count for LG was total of 15 with 1 stillborn.
All the others look great and are doing fine.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/stillborn.jpg

HazAnga

12-01-2010, 10:48 PM

Aww darn eh... way to rewin a perfect score...

guidofatherof5

12-02-2010, 12:04 AM

It's still happy times for me. I wish I knew what was wrong with the little scrub.
I hate to lose any of them.

Thinking back to the birthing time I remember seeing a baby in the enclosure. I grabbed a container to collect them up. I didn't remove LG from her enclosure so there were 9 other adult females in with her at birthing time.
I put the first one in the container and found a couple up in the plastic vines. I then checked under the cold hide. In with the adults were these little ones.
I told them they couldn't keep the babies and they would have to give them up. I got a big smile out of seeing those babies in amongst those big girls. I should have taken a picture of it.
Looked like a bunch of grandmothers looking after the grand kids.:D

Mommy2many

12-03-2010, 07:12 PM

They are all good Moms...

guidofatherof5

12-11-2010, 01:18 AM

The new scrubs continue to eat(every other day) and grow.
I'll get an updated photo and post it tomorrow.
The little cherubs are sleeping right now.:D

guidofatherof5

12-26-2010, 12:01 AM

I offered some pinky parts yesterday. 4 out of the 14 took some.
Worms don't stand a chance with this group but I'll get them switched to pinkies as soon as I can.
I'll get an updated photo posted soon.

guidofatherof5

01-03-2011, 05:41 PM

Here's an updated photo.
These babies ate their first salmon today. They are growing nicely.
So far all are doing well.
14 must be a lucky number.
http://i1113.photobucket.com/albums/k501/guidofatherof5/2010lastbabies.jpg

ConcinusMan

01-04-2011, 02:23 AM

About radix babies... I got a couple of double hets from Don and one of the two was only barely noticeably smaller than the other. The smaller one being the male. Well, they both eat well but for some reason, the female has really grown like crazy and is now about twice the size of the male. I have only raised one other baby radix and that would be the '09 iowa albino "Amy" (also from Don) Amy is definitely grown up now, about 2 feet.

Is this unusual Steve? I mean two babies eating well but one growing so much faster? I ask because I notice some size differences in that litter. I'm wondering why my male is lagging so far behind his sister. Amy grew big and fast and is the only other male radix I've raised. This new male just isn't growing much, although he's strong and healthy. He's the one in my video with the bad attitude. His sister now makes him look so puny in comparison but when I got them, they were nearly the same size.:cool:

guidofatherof5

01-04-2011, 06:04 AM