Haz'z garters

[HazAnga]

Havn't really shared any pix of my beautiful garters :)
Here is both my females, not the best quality pic but it's the only one i have of both, (Helga is on top and Tina is on bottom, Tina has a bigger head then both Helga and Major)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0068.jpg
Here's another female
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0058.jpg
Here's Major, I think the cutest pic I could ever take of him
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0059.jpg
A really nice pic of I believe Tina
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0056.jpg
and last but not least a good pic of both Major and Helga
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0126.jpg

[HazAnga]

Another couple pix of Major and one of the females gittn it on!
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0048.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0052.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Nick,
Did they know you were taking pictures?
These look like hidden camera photos.
Give the kids some privacy:D

[infernalis]

Nice... thanks for sharing

[kibakiba]

Lovely snakes! And yeah, I agree with Steve. They do look like hidden camera pictures ;)

I know when I was taking pictures of Mama and Snakey the first time I had ever seen them seriously "getting it on" they hid behind their log. I'm such a nosy mom... Haha :D

[HazAnga]

Well there was no hiding with these guys, they were all over the cage. Trying every corner I guess lol.

[mustang]

wow lucky look at em all

[gregmonsta]

Lovely beasties :D

[HazAnga]

here's another pic that i just took, It's of Major and Helga
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0136.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Here's you go Nick.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/shes_mine.jpg

[HazAnga]

lol thx Steve. Helga's funny, she was laying there the past 3 days, didn't really move much, and Major was there on top of her today when i got home from work so i decided to take a pic.

[HazAnga]

here's some pix of one of the babies that I'm keeping. He's growing at a rapid pace and is probably twice the size of any of the others (if i had any left)
He's pigging out when i took the pix
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0069.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0070.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0062.jpg
Lucifer was born Aug 1st-11th probably closer to the day of the 1st.
He is a little skittish but once I'm holding him he usually calms right down.

[kibakiba]

Awww, he is a cutie!

[ConcinusMan]

Cool snakes but I think they are underfed.:rolleyes: Lucifer looks like a "she" to me but what do I know.:cool:

I have my first checkered's coming soon. Can't wait. Well, I'll have to. Too cold to ship right now taking into consideration where the plane transfer will occur especially.(transfer in salt lake, then on to portland)

Anyway, two albinos and a pastel (het for albino I think) pair. These pics are terribly yellow too. No compensation for the type of light source.:cool:

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll86/aSnakeLovinBabe/9df371e0.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll86/aSnakeLovinBabe/6a255e33.jpg

I think I'll manage since they are garters after all but do you have any advice specific to keeping checkereds?

[guidofatherof5]

Underfed, I don't see.

Great looking snakes, Nick.

[ConcinusMan]

I was joking Steve.;) If anything they're a bit overfed.:)

[guidofatherof5]

I was joking Steve.;) If anything they're a bit overfed.:)

I guess the jokes on me. Sorry.;)

[HazAnga]

Lol yeah he ate 3 of those in one sitting when i took the pix. And their not all that hard to take care of. Nothing out of the ordinary, other then maybe hurting themselves in the substrate... and do like to kinda hide... but that could be just mine :)

[ConcinusMan]

Hmmmm... I do like fir bark / coconut fiber substrate and for some burrowing snakes it's not so ideal. Maybe I'll just use a liner and lots of moss for them like I did at first with this years litters. If it turns out they like to burrow in substrate maybe I'll just have to set aside my own preference and use carefresh or aspen.

[HazAnga]

Lol my one female likes to burrow. I have cypress multch as my substrate.

[ConcinusMan]

Lol my one female likes to burrow. I have cypress multch as my substrate.

No wonder they're hurting themselves. Too splintery. If you're talking about the kind intended for gardening, not so good.

[HazAnga]

well here's some new pix. my trio have been mating for the last 3 weeks so I'm hoping that, and I've seen significant weight gain's in the last bit (mind you they only came out of brumation just over a month ago) so I'm hoping for babies for sure this year. Maybe a few more then I got last year :)

http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0146.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0145.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0144.jpg
I thought they looked cute together lol. All 3 will constantly go in the rock hide and cuddle up together, and an hour ago i caught the male trying (possibly succeeding) to seduce one of the females while they all are under the hide lol.

[guidofatherof5]

Babies are always awesome. Best of luck.
Give that boy a couple extra pinkies so he can keep his strength up.:D

[HazAnga]

HE WON'T FRIGGING EAT!!!
I've tried lots and he refuses :( I just have to try worms but my hard part is getting them right now, so once I find them I will try

[guidofatherof5]

HE WON'T FRIGGING EAT!!!
I've tried lots and he refuses :( I just have to try worms but my hard part is getting them right now, so once I find them I will try

He may be more focused on his "lady time" then eating at this point.
I've had male radixes do that early in the breeding season.;)

[EasternGirl]

They are lovely snakes! I love the pics of them snuggling together...so cute!

Richard...is that an albino baby you have in that pic? Is that going up for adoption?

[ConcinusMan]

Oh, you mean on the previous page? Those are 2010 albino and pastel checkered's. They are being held for me. (2 of each) I won't actually get them until it's safer to ship. Too darn cold right now and those babies are in New England, right in the middle of that snowstorm right now.

And heck no they aren't even for sale, let alone adoption. The albinos are het for pastel, and the pastels are het for albino. They are valuable treasures! A future breeding project for me.

It's been a good day for me. I just sold the last trio of red spotted garters for very good price, AND secured a deal to receive a female nebraska christmas albino, het for iowa albino. She'll make a perfect mate for Amy, who is my male Iowa, het for nebraska.:)

Nick, that male of yours is not going to interested in food as long as he has that fine girl on his mind. If you get a for-sure lockup, it might be wise to separate them, preferably in another room, so he'll eat.:rolleyes:

[EasternGirl]

Well...they are beauties. I would really like to get an albino someday...when I can afford one. I can't wait to get another snake! And someday...I will have an albino...someday...

I don't really understand all the "het" stuff...

Amy is an awesome snake.

[ConcinusMan]

Het: heterozygous

When I say they are het for albino for example, I mean that even though they don't show as being albino, they carry the gene. A pair of normal looking snakes that are "het" for albino, are capable of producing albino offspring.

A normal, mated to an albino, will produce normal looking babies that are het for albino. Those hets can then be bred to another albino, or to each other, and produce some albinos.;)

[HazAnga]

Well my male is het for albinos because I got albinos last year. What would his % be? And what would be the babies % be?
I havnt seen any lockups myself, just a lot of action. Tina shed last night so I'm going to leave him with them for another week or two. Then I'll seperate them and hopefully he'll eat. Do I have to put him in another room?

[ConcinusMan]

The percentages are used to tell a buyer what the chances are that babies are hets. Since the mother is albino, then all the normal looking babies she has are hets, so they are 100% hets.

And since you got albino babies from him last year, you know for sure he is a het, so he's 100% het.

Knowing he's a het, if you mated him to a normal wild-type female, the babies would all look normal but would have a 50% chance of being hets, so until each one was proven or unproven to be a het, the babies would be called 50% hets.

That's not the case though. The mother is albino, the father has already been proven to be a het. So, you have a 50/50 chance of producing albinos, but even if by chance all the babies came out normal looking, the babies would all be 100% het for albino. Any normal looking babies you get from those two would be 100% hets.

@ Marnie: Albino checkered garters are probably the least expensive albino garter snake you can buy. I've seen them for as little as $40.;)

Pastels on the other hand, are pretty darn expensive.

[HazAnga]

lol the one pet store that has a rep of over pricing things have a couple baby albino checkereds for over $70 there on sale right now for like $69. (probably because no one would buy them for that much lol) I'm going to see how much he'd pay for my babies this year, if it's worth it or to try to sell them myself is easier.

@ ConcinnusMan where abouts would I be able to git myself a pastel checkered garter?

[EasternGirl]

Yes, Richard...can you get albino checkereds? Can you post a pic of one of those...I hear albino and think Amy...I suppose he is pastel. Could I put an albino checkered female in with Selena?

[HazAnga]

the pictures in this thread have albino checkereds in them.

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, really. They're in this thread. However, I think there's better photos elsewhere.

And, Amy is an Iowa strain albino plains garter. (T. radix) There are also Nebraska strain albino plains garters, which look a bit different than Amy, so there's two basic types of albino plains garters.

This a normal checkered garter (T. marcianus)

http://www.gpnc.org/images/jpegs/animals/ChGarter.jpg


Here are the 2 albinos, and two pastels that are coming to me when this dang cold weather warms up:

http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/7721/fbd29308medium.jpg

Shannon (asnakelovinbabe) bred these. I do not know if she has any more for sale but I do know that pastels wouldn't be cheap.

here's an adult albino:
http://img1.eyefetch.com/p/bk/1046403-b4984dc0-5ec3-4281-8219-19b2bf13906bl.jpg

Albinos, both babies and adults come up for sale pretty often on kingsnake.com classifieds and elsewhere.

Here's some for $30 plus shipping: Buy Albino Checkered Garter Snakes Online. For Sale with Same Day Shipping. (http://www.bigappleherp.com/Albino-Checkered-Garter-Snake-Captive-Bred-Baby?sc=2&category=25076)

[HazAnga]

Here's some pix of my pregnant girl Helga
(She hissed at me when i was checked out the little bit of dirt towards her tail when she had the mouse in her mouth... it was kinda funny. Like a "Piss off!!!" hiss)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0156.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0155.jpg
If you look in this pic, the lump closest to the head is the first ASF fuzzie, and the long lump after that is........ BABIES!!!!!
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0153.jpg
Here's a pic so you might be able to git the idea of how big she's getting, there's a average size coffee mug in the pic
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0159.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0158.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMAG0157.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking snake, Nick.
I don't remember. Was she bred to a normal or het.?

[ConcinusMan]

Congrats, you took two pictures that are actually in focus.:p Should have used that second one for the contest. Nice photo.

[HazAnga]

Yeah... next time I'm going to wait before I enter a photo. And the unfocused pix, would be my unsteady hand and my camera on my HTC Hero.
And Steve she was bred to the only male I have big and old enough, he's a normal but I will git albinos out of it (as I did last year). I'm not so smart with the whole genetics yet but I'm working on it. So, please correct me if I'm wrong but would that make him 100% het for albino?

[guidofatherof5]

In order for you to get albinos he must be het for albino.
I had the same situation on the Ranch last year. The male was normal looking but my albino female produced some albinos in the litter.
I'm with you on the whole genetic stuff.;)

[ConcinusMan]

A lot of "normal" CB checkereds sold turn out to be albino hets even if they aren't sold as such. Same goes for "normal" baby corns you find in the pet stores. They'll get a clutch of albinos (or other morphs) and hets so chances are if you see a few babies in the pet store together with an albino (or other morphs) or two, the normals are usually hets.;)

One or both of the parents of your male were likely albinos, making him 100% het. Since he's produced albino babies, he has to be het or you would have got all normal looking babies. Those normal looking babies would be 100% hets since you know the mother is albino.

When you sell any normal looking babies you get from this next litter, you can say with confidence that they are 100% het for albino.

[HazAnga]

Lol sounds good, maybe they'll sell quicker then this time lol. And maybe more albinos, well more babies in general

[ConcinusMan]

Well, you were pretty forthcoming about the parents last year. Anyone who has a clue or cares about such matters would have known they were hets anyway.;)

[HazAnga]

Lol thanks. I was fortunate and might be fortunate again this year, there was a guy about 2 hours away who bought pretty much the last of my babies last year. all but 2, which one i was keeping and the other is a runt and wasn't eating well... until now, after so much frustration I got the little scrub to eat pinkie parts. So it'll probably be another couple months before I'll be able to find it a good home.

[HazAnga]

Well I've seperated Major from the two females, I don't think he likes that too much... but he needs to eat something and hopefully getting him away from the females for a bit will help... then he can go right back. :)

[guidofatherof5]

Sounds like you've got a workaholic garter snake there.:D

[HazAnga]

Yes! I do. I know he's for sure 100% done the deed to one female, but I'm not sure about Tina, she has gained a little weight but no where near as much as Helga. Time will tell, and maybe git some food in the guy and give him another go with some new found energy lol.

[HazAnga]

how long you think it'll take for him to be on his own to eat again.? week?

[guidofatherof5]

how long you think it'll take for him to be on his own to eat again.? week?

I would think if he eats he can go right back in.
You don't want to much time to pass if Tina is receptive.
Have tried to feed him while he's in with the girl?
Has he lost a lot of weight? Just wondering why your concerned.
I have males that take time to eat, then it's back to work.:D

[HazAnga]

well... he last ate Sept 10th, shed Oct 2nd, first weighed him Nov 8th (65.4g), last weighed Jan 20th (55.4g). Now he was still quite bigger then when his first weighing was. maybe 10g or 15g more. He seems fine but he also seems slower then the females. I'm just trying to git him to eat something before he goes back in. Then all will be good.

[HazAnga]

ok... hmm... Tina just shed (the one who's not gravid, that I know of) should I put Major back in? lol. The females are more responsive after shedding are they not?

[guidofatherof5]

ok... hmm... Tina just shed (the one who's not gravid, that I know of) should I put Major back in? lol. The females are more responsive after shedding are they not?

That's what others have said.
I've never seen it in my radix population. They seem to breed within days of coming out of brumation. No shed required.:D

[kibakiba]

Any time Mama sheds, Snakey is all over her. It's funny to see him rubbing his chin on her while she's trying to get the shed off still... Once he even mated with her while she was shedding. It got wrapped around both of them and I had to cut it off. Poor Snakey. :D

[HazAnga]

I just put him back in lol, maybe 30 min's ago. He's now sorta chasing her around, following her body... and now just resting on top of her... (head on head) He's still a little shorter then her by... 5 or 6" lol it's like a average guy with a tall chick haha. I'll let him be like you said Steve, let him do his thing and I'll just keep trying to feed him.

[HazAnga]

took a pic of Major, used the girlfriends camera (it's ok but not the best)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/Major.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Looks like he's on the hunt. Nice looking snake, Nick.

[HazAnga]

Yes he is, he's an awesome little guy, rarely ever spazzez when I pick him up.

[ConcinusMan]

That's what others have said.
I've never seen it in my radix population. They seem to breed within days of coming out of brumation. No shed required.:D

I get nothing from concinnus right out of brumation. It normally takes a couple of weeks and/or a shed before the action starts.;)

[HazAnga]

well here's some more pix,
Some updated pix of my gravid girl Helga
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0036.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0041.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0042.jpg
Here's the trio laying around together
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0054.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0065.jpg

[HazAnga]

Here's the beautiful Ladies curled up together
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0043.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0053.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0044.jpg
And Here's a pic of Helga again. I entered this photo in this months photo contest... the closest pic I think I could come up with this time of year... And I know the quality isn't the best either... but my birthday is coming up and I think the parents and/or grandparents wouldn't mind buying me a good camera :)
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/IMG_0035.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

That's what others have said.
I've never seen it in my radix population. They seem to breed within days of coming out of brumation. No shed required.:D

Different species will behave differently. I haven't seen any breeding behavior in my concinnus' straight out of brumation. After a few days out, they just want to eat a lot. The breeding seems to come a while later, especially after the female sheds. Judging from when the wild ones have their babies, they're doing the same thing in the wild, breeding about a month after they emerge. The northwesterns come out in huge masses and start breeding right away.

[HazAnga]

Well yesterday she was just finishing up her blue stage of shedding. Do once Helga sheds I should have babies really soon :)

[guidofatherof5]

Looking forward to seeing some photos of your new little scrubs.
Keep us posted.;)

[HazAnga]

I will definitely do that. Major just shed today, and now I'm hoping to git him to eat something. I can't wait for the new scrubs :D

[HazAnga]

ok well i got some good news for a couple of reasons. first off... well i starved Major for like a month and a half and he readily enough ate a scented fuzzie. He's been stuck on worms for a while and i finally got him to eat the fuzzie.
And second... well Helga, i first thought that when she last shed that it was her pre birth shed. well I was wrong, she's just in blue now for her proper pre birth shed, and then shortly after that she should give birth to some healthy scrubs. She looks very nice and plump, and she's soaking up the heat. I'm getting very excited and I can't wait to see the scrubs. :)

[ConcinusMan]

I'm not terribly familiar with what you guys keep calling "pre birth shed" and I still can't figure out why everyone seems to expect the babies to come just because their gravid female sheds in the late stages. They shed when they get too big for their current skin. That can happen any time.

For example, my big bertha shed, then immediately mated. She started getting fat right away and so she got too big for her skin and shed only a month later when she normally only sheds about 2 or 3 times a year. I'm just saying I've never seen any evidence that shedding in late stages coincides with time of birth. It can happen at any time during the pregnancy. If they happen to give birth right after shedding, it's pure coincidence IMO.

I am wishing you a healthy litter for sure. I am short one male albino (or het) maricanus. ;)

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I'm not terribly familiar with what you guys keep calling "pre birth shed" and I still can't figure out why everyone seems to expect the babies to come just because their gravid female sheds in the late stages. They shed when they get too big for their current skin. That can happen any time.

For example, my big bertha shed, then immediately mated. She started getting fat right away and so she got too big for her skin and shed only a month later when she normally only sheds about 2 or 3 times a year. I'm just saying I've never seen any evidence that shedding in late stages coincides with time of birth. It can happen at any time during the pregnancy. If they happen to give birth right after shedding, it's pure coincidence IMO.

I am wishing you a healthy litter for sure. I am short one male albino (or het) maricanus. ;)



It does. Female garter snakes usually ALWAYS shed right before they drop their babies. It's not because they are too big for their skin, it's hormonal. I have always been able to time expecting babies based on the pre-birth shed. When your female is really big, and she goes into shed you know she is getting close, once she sheds, you can expect babies within 2 weeks. I have never had a gravid female that did not have a shed right before giving birth.

It looks to me like Major is the source of the pastels you are seeing popping up.

[Stefan-A]

It does. Female garter snakes usually ALWAYS shed right before they drop their babies.
My sample size is very small, but so far none of my female garters have shed less than a month before giving birth.

[ConcinusMan]

Weird. I've never had that happen. It's always about 2-3 weeks in, then a little while after having babies.

[Spankenstyne]

My checkereds also have had babies in about 2 weeks from the pre-birthing shed. Perhaps concinnus are different?

[ConcinusMan]

All I know is they swell up quite a bit in a very short time during that first 30 days, and then shed. After they have the babies at around 90 days, they go into shed again. Generally this is how it goes, but I know that they always end up needing to shed at some point during the pregnancy and I know that can happen at any time during the 90 days. Occasionally, they will shed twice during the pregnancy or go into shed and be opaque during the delivery. The rest of the year, it's back to the usual 3-5 months shedding frequency for large adults.

[HazAnga]

Here's an updated pic on Helga, just wondering, I know she's eating but she still looks big... again, could she be gravid again... it's almost been 7 weeks since she had the babies, how long after laying can she become gravid again...?
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/Helga2.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Checkereds/Helga1.jpg
And Another thing, i measured Tina's tail (from the vent to the tip) it's pretty long for a girl... 5-1/2" is that normal, i thought the males were supposed to have the long tails?

[guidofatherof5]

I don't know much about Checkereds but I think 7 weeks isn't enough time to develop a chain of new eggs.

I never use tail length as a sexing rule.
Too unreliable.
In my opinion.

[kibakiba]

Tail length is very unreliable. Mama has a long thin tail, but Ember does too. Snap has a short thin tail, and Thumbelina (male) does too.

[HazAnga]

I figured enough. But Steve she's gotten really big all of a sudden.

[guidofatherof5]

I figured enough. But Steve she's gotten really big all of a sudden.

I would keep a close eye on her.
I agree she looks gravid but it's not likely she is.
Might want to get her to the Vet. for a check up.
Retained eggs, intestinal infection, etc.
Keep us posted on her.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

try palpating her. As you are handling her, wait until you can feel her muscles are loose and in a relaxed state. Allow her to crawl forward onto something while letting her glide through your hand, through the space between your thumb and index finger. With your thumb on her back and your index finger under her belly, apply very gentle even pressure upwards with your index finger cupped around her underbelly as she glides through your hand. She has to be relaxed and moving forward in a steady motion for it to work or she will be too tense to feel anything. It usually just takes a few tries, but if you do it right you'll be able to feel a distinct little "bump bump bump bump" in her lower abdomen as she is moving forward. If you can't feel that, then she's likely not gravid, especially if you think she's already showing a bit. If you can feel that... it's not poop you are feeling :)

[HazAnga]

she only just started looking bigger, like she was still kinda small until i looked at her the other day.

EDIT:
I just did as you said to do Shannon and I don't feel anything. She seems perfectly fine, and she is a big girl either way... maybe she's got her regular body back, getting ready for next year... idk, but yes Steve I'll be keeping a good eye on her to make sure nothing's wrong.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

yea... I see no reason for a vet visit... appears to be a perfectly healthy snake! she doesn't look swollen or bloated to me... probably just gained her weight back!

[ConcinusMan]

you'll be able to feel a distinct little "bump bump bump bump" in her lower abdomen as she is moving forward.

The only problem with that is, I have, and can often feel that when I know darn well the girl isn't gravid. That big anery female I sent to you, for example. I've always been able to feel that string of bumps when I hold her and yet... not gravid. And with my very gravid females (late stage) I can't feel a dang thing except it feels very heavy and "squishy" like they're filled with water.

[HazAnga]

I changed the Adult Garter tank around, I kinda got bored and was wanting a change from the live plants thing. So i emptied the whole tank, cleaned it and then just put forest bark down and got a tree root piece of wood from the old pet store i used to work at, at put it into the tank, i do plan on getting another piece of wood or something for it as well as some fake plants which i might glue or something to the wood to make it look a little less plain. Here's a couple pix for ya'll to see;
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Enclosures/IMG_0406.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Enclosures/IMG_0409.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Enclosures/IMG_0411.jpg
http://i1112.photobucket.com/albums/k491/HazAnga/Enclosures/IMG_0412.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Good looking setups and snakes.

[HazAnga]

Thanks, Steve.
Everyone looks healthy and Tina looks perfectly healthy, i don't see anything wrong with her.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks, Steve.
Everyone looks healthy and Tina looks perfectly healthy, i don't see anything wrong with her.

And if you did you'd never say anything in front of her.:D

[HazAnga]

Lol. She must of gained her weight back like Shannon mentioned.