Ranch Concinnus'

[guidofatherof5]

I have been holding off on posting a thread about these babies until I felt they were established. I was sent 11 from Richard but I only have 9 at this time. 2 of them found a security problem in their enclosure and exploited it. They are on the loose but I feel confident they will be found soon. Actually, they will probably turn themselves in anytime now.
These are wonderful snakes. Great attitudes and docile. Very curious and easy to work with. I'm feel very privileged to be their caregiver.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus3.jpg

[Mix]

I just love the rosy cheeks! Great looking guys. :)

[infernalis]

Nice lookers Steve.

[gregmonsta]

Got to love concinnus :D

[kibakiba]

Lovely little ones! I love my little ones, they're a little skittish still but they like to come up to me when I'm working in their tank looking for poop or changing the water ;) They expect food from me at all times. They've grown a lot faster than my ordinoides, too. Except Tiny, he's getting long, but not fat as I'd like him to be, haha.

[guidofatherof5]

All the missing snakes are back in their enclosure. I started serving pinkies and the little escapees came out.

[guidofatherof5]

Tonight was a pinky parts night for these little ones.
I felt bad for the fish eaters as I am down to one fish and it's too big for any of them.
I decided to use the fish anyway but just as a scenting tool.
I took pinky legs and thigh potions and rubbed them on the fish. My fish only eaters were more than happy to down the parts.
I think the fish was getting tired of having pinky parts rubbed on its sides.
I'm not much of a fish person but I sort of like this fish.
I'm going to get more tomorrow.

[NikkiSixx]

They look like they are blushing!!! How cue!

[guidofatherof5]

All are doing well and eating good. They are very curious about everything.
They hang out at the front of the enclosure and watch everything. When I walk by them I can almost hear them saying "Hey buddy, what's going on. Got any food?"
Great little snakes.

[kibakiba]

Yes, I can actually hear mine begging for food now. Their cuteness got the best of me and I fed them a bit much and now they're going on a slight diet and are being handled more for exercise. They are mad at me, especially Snap. Both of them are super curious about me walking by or sticking my hand in the tank, they come right up to me... And ask for more food.

[ConcinusMan]

Glad to hear they're doing well Steve. Glad you like them too.:)

[guidofatherof5]

Glad to hear they're doing well Steve. Glad you like them too.:)


I highly recommend them to everyone who can get them.
Second of course to a radix.;)

[ConcinusMan]

That's what I've been sayin' :rolleyes:

Got my first radix last year though and they are exactly what I expected from your description of their 'personality traits' and now you have some concinnus' and it's easy to see how they share some of the "loveable" traits with radixes and yet, still have their own species-specific behavioral tendencies.

Both very great pet species and lots of breeding/morph potential from both as well, although radixes have a bit of head start on the CB and morphs.

You are enjoying the babies and that's good. They only get huge in a hurry and more "puppy dog like" as they get older. Very smart snakes and each with his/her individuality distinguishable from the others. Large females seem very sharp and equally tame, WC or CB.

I think that much of what we love about concinnus is the same as what we both love about radixes.;)

[guidofatherof5]

Sheds from this weekend. Looks like they are growing.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/shed3.jpg

[mustang]

That's what I've been sayin' :rolleyes:

Got my first radix last year though and they are exactly what I expected from your description of their 'personality traits' and now you have some concinnus' and it's easy to see how they share some of the "loveable" traits with radixes and yet, still have their own species-specific behavioral tendencies.

Both very great pet species and lots of breeding/morph potential from both as well, although radixes have a bit of head start on the CB and morphs.

You are enjoying the babies and that's good. They only get huge in a hurry and more "puppy dog like" as they get older. Very smart snakes and each with his/her individuality distinguishable from the others. Large females seem very sharp and equally tame, WC or CB.

I think that much of what we love about concinnus is the same as what we both love about radixes.;)you foroget about checkereds! they have unoque personality traits (iv seen a few here and there and they all acted different) and they got morphs too!

R=there checker are you happy
C=yes, now get me food
R=i just fed you
C=ill give you the kill eye look
R=no please....aww stop it your killing me stop looking so (insert a manly word like cute) ill get you food
C=thats right do what i say
(R exits stage left and curtians fall)

[ConcinusMan]

And I will be getting 3 of them soon. An albino, a pastel, and a normal.:)

I'm cutting my concinnus down to 2 pair of anery's and my big normal girl (she's just a loveable pet, no more breeding for her) for the most part. Then I have my radixes tank... and now coming soon, checkereds! In the future....

Eastern Blacknecks.

[guidofatherof5]

Feed them worms and they eat, but yawn.
Feed them Salmon and they eat, but yawn.
Feed them pinky parts and it "Katy bar the door" Wow, they love their mouse parts.
It's a Ranch smackdown.:eek:
These little concinnus babies go crazy for mice.
They have this "Feed me or die" look on their face.

[ConcinusMan]

It was mice night for the babies tonight here too. They latched onto the the hemostats and tried to swallow them!

[guidofatherof5]

I just checked on my group and they are all sound asleep.
One did come out and ask for some water and a bedtime story though.:D

[kibakiba]

Snap and Ember eat whole pinkies now with no problem. They seem to prefer that over worms or salmon. I love seeing them after they eat their pinkies, they seem so content and happy.

[guidofatherof5]

Snap and Ember eat whole pinkies now with no problem. They seem to prefer that over worms or salmon. I love seeing them after they eat their pinkies, they seem so content and happy.


Maybe pinkies are like turkey. Tryptophan:D

[kibakiba]

Maybe. Snap is still a spitfire even after eating it ;) It's part of what makes her adorable, because I know deep down in her heart... She's a happy, loving snake. :D

[ConcinusMan]

I warned you guys those concinnus' are ruthless and vicious at feeding time.

They do tend to calm down and get better about it, once they are large adults. I can feed my big ones together no problem.

[EasternGirl]

Those are some pretty little snakies you have there, Steve.

[guidofatherof5]

Whole, extra small pinkies were on the menu as a first for some of these little beauties.
Fighting is still a huge problem but all-in-all they did pretty good tonight.
Great Thamnophis. I highly recommend them.;)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus21.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus31.jpg
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus11.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus4.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Thanks for the pics! Nice Steve.

I don't know if you remember or not, but I did mention that 3 out of the last shipment were different enough that I could pick them out of a crowd. Bottom left picture, snake at the top is one of them. ;)

I still have one from that litter. They were only 7 babies but born very big. I just think it's interesting to note that in spite of their large size at birth, they are now no bigger (in fact, might even be little smaller) than babies from other litters in which the babies were born much smaller size. Hope that makes sense.:rolleyes:

That litter of 7 flat refused anything but pinky parts for several months after they were born. The one I still have did eventually come around and now eats anything.

Here's the one I still have (but has been sold) from that litter.

http://img52.imageshack.us/img52/4108/specialbaby014medium.jpg

Those are NOT from the 3 stripe dimorphic gene pool. Some adults found in the area where their parents were found (lots of variation in that population) sometimes look like the following pics, and suggests to me what they will look like as adults. One might even call them sort of "pastel" looking.:rolleyes:

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/8742/gedc1542.jpg
http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb201/tokaysrnice/Thamnophis/DSC03966.jpg

Anyway, didn't mean to hijack the thread. Just thought you'd like to know a few of those are not like the others.

[zooplan]

Impressing to see the differences.
What size has the snake in the last picture?
Those close ups are allways confusing to me!

[Mommy2many]

Richard, those are some beautiful snakes! Love the colours!

[ConcinusMan]

Impressing to see the differences.
What size has the snake in the last picture?
Those close ups are allways confusing to me!

I can't say how big the snake was in the last picture, but I can say that the snake is a female and, after quite a while in captivity, it was thought to be unique. By the time I found a male of the same morph, (the day that picture above it was taken) from the same place, they were both young adults around 20-22 inches.

They are both adults now and about the same size. Young adult size. I'm guessing around 30 inches, but that's just an educated estimate. They both have that washed out "pastel" bright orange look and out of respect for the greater good, and effort to breed this morph, I gave the WC male I found (The one being held by me) to the owner of the other one (a female in the last pic close-up) so an effort can be made to breed them.;)

Nate (user name "Redspot") has them both. He knows his stuff. At the time I caught that male and gave it to Nate, he had just hatched out a large clutch of cribos. I held his biggest cribo and he (the snake:rolleyes: ) was a sweetheart. Like a really big garter snake. Like, ummm... a 6 foot garter snake. In fact. Nate calls them his "garters on steroids" LoL. So true. If I had more room I would definitely go for a cribbo.:)

This little derailment doesn't get you off the hook Steve. Keep the updates of your ranch concinnus' coming! Lovin' it.:)

[guidofatherof5]

These snake continue to grow and thrive. They are really putting on the weight.
Glad they are part of the Ranch.

[guidofatherof5]

They continue to grow and are beautiful.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/con1.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/con2.jpg

[katach]

They ARE beautiful!

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome. Some of those are big bertha's babies and it looks like that top one takes after her. Looks just like her! I think you're going to have some very big girls there some day.

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow that does look like her!

Your concinnus are awesome Steve!

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks. I do feel blessed to have them.

[guidofatherof5]

With feeding time comes the possibility of a fight. I've gotten pretty good at handing out food to these monsters but the other day this smaller snake took a shot to the nose.
These are by far the most aggressive snakes I have at feeding time. I love them all but feel sometimes I need a couple more hands.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/concinnus5.jpg

[kibakiba]

Snap and Ember aren't really the fighting type. They share a dish together and I haven't had any fights for quite some time. They're just overly happy to strike at everything and often miss and flail about trying to get it.

[EasternGirl]

Great pic Steve...beautiful snakes!

[ConcinusMan]

Concinnus' have always been like that for me. Can't do group feedings when they're young. They'll ignore food right in front of them in favor of stealing/fighting it from another snake. Once they get to be large adults, it's not so much of a problem usually.

[RedSidedSPR]

It's funny, my concinnus is the least likely to fight.. in fact, everyone has tried but him. He tries to AVOID fights... he even saw Red coming once and hid his food-stuffed face under his body. Sometimes i think that's why he comes up to the rim to eat (like so (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWU5Kdv_RnM&list=UUDulsoo-ajZ4Sb45-WuPGtA&feature=plcp)). He's just a sweet, calm snake. Not what i expected buying one.

[RedSidedSPR]

Reminds me of someone...

http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8031/con2pz.jpg


http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/5053/035jo.jpg


Not that it really looks like him..:rolleyes:

[ConcinusMan]

Reminds me of someone...

Gee, I wonder why? ;) Some of those that Steve has are from the same mother as yours, but different litter/father.


It's funny, my concinnus is the least likely to fight.. in fact, everyone has tried but him. He tries to AVOID fights...

There are always a few woosies in a litter. What can I say?:cool:

[RedSidedSPR]

There are always a few woosies in a litter. What can I say?:cool:

He's anything but that or he'd be a hell of a lot less outward. To everything.

[guidofatherof5]

I very rarely find any of my snakes in this position, let alone get a photo.
I lifted the hide and there she was.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus32.jpg

[chris-uk]

I very rarely find any of my snakes in this position, let alone get a photo.
I lifted the hide and there she was.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus32.jpg

Great photo Steve. I'm still trying for one of those shots.

[RedSidedSPR]

I very rarely find any of my snakes in this position, let alone get a photo.
I lifted the hide and there she was.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus32.jpg\

I know! It's so cool when they're like that. I've gotten a few bad shots of perfect poses like that, and some good ones of almost perfect ones. Don't know where the bad ones are, but I'll post some of the good ones in my thread.

Oh, and she's awesome! Can't wait to see how big Rooster gets

[EasternGirl]

Great pic!

[RedSidedSPR]

Just outta curiosity, by "that position" do you mean curled in a perfect circle like that, or curled up period?

[guidofatherof5]

In this case I would say both.

[RedSidedSPR]

Gotcha. My snakes sleep out of hides curled up all the time, so I see it a lot, but not perfect circle like that.

[EasternGirl]

Mine do a coil, strike position but they don't actually strike....they back into corners and look as though they are getting into position to strike but they aren't.

[RedSidedSPR]

My checkered does that. He's actually stopped biting me, but he still pretends he'll strike..

[EasternGirl]

Well, Cee Cee does the false strike...she's funny...she has only actually bitten me lightly when she mistook my fingers for food...as far as striking goes...she false strikes all the time when she is being defensive...but she never even opens her mouth...she just bumps my hand with her nose. It's cute. Seeley has done it a few times too. Neither has ever actually tried to bite me. Hermes has never tried to strike at all...he just bolts and hides. Both Cee Cee and Seeley will do a strike pose too.

[RedSidedSPR]

I have got to take a video of Red during feeding time... fruitcake. You won't believe it.

[ConcinusMan]

I very rarely find any of my snakes in this position, let alone get a photo.
I lifted the hide and there she was.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus32.jpg

Looking more and more like momma (Big Bertha) every day.^^^

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7492/bertha015large.jpg

[snakehill]

WOW! She does look like her momma! :eek:

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow you're right.

[ConcinusMan]

Now lets see if all the pampering in captivity can get them to grow bigger than their mom. (about 3.7 feet)That would be something!

[RedSidedSPR]

No kidding.

[guidofatherof5]

Checking on my T.s.concinnus group I found 8 new sheds. That 8 sheds in 24 hours.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/shed22.jpg

[katach]

That is awesome!

[chris-uk]

Checking on my T.s.concinnus group I found 8 new sheds. That 8 sheds in 24 hours.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/shed22.jpg

They must be female and synchronised. ;)
Although that does raise an interesting point, this is a real coincidence isn't it? Snakes don't synch their shedding just because they live together in the same conditions?

[katach]

Ours do. Right now Toothless and Willow are in blue, Cotton and Blade will follow by about a week, then Fish Bait and Maria after. They are like clockwork together.

[RedSidedSPR]

My concinnus and anery just shed in literally the same 5 minutes as each other.

[guidofatherof5]

Today tilapia was on the menu for this group. I was one day behind their normal feed day and it showed.
I was met with a rush of hungry (probably angry) snakes. I had to rapid fire the food to them.
Then it started. I've never seen so much tail slapping in my life and on top of that they were slinging musk.
All I could do was laugh at their behavior. Even with a mouth full of food they were challenging each other.
In all my years I have never seen anything like it.
It was a concinnus smackdown.
I love them but they need to be housed with some radixes to learn some manors.

[gregmonsta]

4381

Manors :D

[guidofatherof5]

4381

Manors :D


Okay, okay manners.
Time to up my meds.:D

[EasternGirl]

I was wondering about the shedding thing...I have noticed that Seeley has been going into shed mode when he sees Cee Cee go into shed mode. It's happened the last couple of sheds. The last time she turned opaque...boom! He followed....and went into some sort of warp-speed shed process like he was trying to catch up to her. Now this time her eyes went blue...and boom! He was shiny one minute and then he started to go dull....it's so very interesting! I just love it! Garters are just fascinating!

[guidofatherof5]

They must be female and synchronised. ;)
Although that does raise an interesting point, this is a real coincidence isn't it? Snakes don't synch their shedding just because they live together in the same conditions?

I'm guessing feeding cycles and snakes of the same age have a lot to do with this incident.

[EasternGirl]

I realized tonight that Cee Cee may be older than I originally thought...to completely change the subject for a moment...but if she is in fact the snake that I think she is...the one that was living behind my house...then my mother says that she was back there for at least 3 years that she knows of before I took her in...and I have had her for almost a year now...and she was full grown when I found her...so I would say 5 years old at least. How long do garters usually live in captivity?

[guidofatherof5]

I think that number won't apply in this situation since Cee Cee spent most of her life in the wild if in fact she is that old.
I've heard numbers from 7 to 20 years.
Many factors come into play with those numbers.
I think the wild years are hard on their overall life expectancy.
Just my opinion.

[EasternGirl]

So...I mean, I guess the question would be, if she is actually 4 or 5 years old...she wouldn't have many years left considering she is W/C? I love my Cee Cee...I don't like to think that she might be old! I know it's all something that we have to face...but...I guess I didn't think she was that old.

[chris-uk]

So...I mean, I guess the question would be, if she is actually 4 or 5 years old...she wouldn't have many years left considering she is W/C? I love my Cee Cee...I don't like to think that she might be old! I know it's all something that we have to face...but...I guess I didn't think she was that old.
Steve knows all about starting to face old-age... ;)
With any WC adult you don't have any idea how old they are. From what you have said she could be an older snakes, you just enjoy having her around because I'm sure you have plenty of years with her yet.

[guidofatherof5]

Steve knows all about starting to face old-age... ;)
With any WC adult you don't have any idea how old they are. From what you have said she could be an older snakes, you just enjoy having her around because I'm sure you have plenty of years with her yet.

Chris, I take offense to your comment about my age.
Let me tell you something................. what were we talking about:rolleyes::D:p

[EasternGirl]

Well I know a thing or two about facing old age myself...lol. I keep seeing my hands in pics and I'm like..."How did my mother's hands get in that picture?". :o Cee Cee still has a lot of spunk...that's for sure. I think there is a good chance that she is the snake we saw living behind my house, considering first of all...once I found that snake and tried feeding her, she suddenly disappeared and then Cee Cee popped up in the front of my house. So, chances are she relocated because she knew that her home had been discovered. Then, once I took Cee Cee in to save her from the lawn mower, the "snake from under the house" wasn't around anymore. Now, there was one more snake that I found a couple of months later that looked exactly like Cee Cee in my backyard in another location. She ended up getting bitten by something and dying. So, there is always the possibility that she was the snake from under the back steps where I think Cee Cee came from. I do think that one of them was having most of the babies that I was finding in my basement and may be Seeley's mother. So if it is Cee Cee, she may have may years on her and many years of babies behind her...and she may be canoodling with her son! :eek:

[guidofatherof5]

I just finished feeding the T.s.concinnus (Red-spotted garter snake) paddock. Was able to escape with only a minor bite.
Dang, these are some aggressive feeders.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/wound.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

Damn, Did they mistake your hand for food or did they strike at you as a defensive behavior?

[guidofatherof5]

Always a feeding response.

[ConcinusMan]

I just finished feeding the T.s.concinnus (Red-spotted garter snake) paddock. Was able to escape with only a minor bite.
Dang, these are some aggressive feeders.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/wound.jpg

I did warn you! ;). Once in feeding mode they are viscous fighting, theiving little monsters that will bite anything that moves or smells like food. It does get a bit better the older they get, particularly when not kept in large groups. It's big groups of young ones you gotta watch out for.

[guidofatherof5]

I had hoped my EOS would have captured this snakes beauty but it didn't.
Use your imagination and picture the white in the photo as neon blue and there you go.
Can't wait to let this male do some breeding next Spring.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/blue.jpg

[InsanePirateDragon]

Such a pretty boy! Loving that blue.

[Invisible Snake]

I love that anery concinnus!

[ConcinusMan]

I had hoped my EOS would have captured this snakes beauty but it didn't.
Use your imagination and picture the white in the photo as neon blue and there you go.
Can't wait to let this male do some breeding next Spring.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/blue.jpg


Aren't they great? I don't understand why I had such a hard time selling them, even at regular concinnus price. They're just as gorgeous as a stunning blue puget, which people seem to be willing to sell their car to get, lol.

All the digital cameras make it very difficult to capture that florescent coloring. Yours did OK though, but nothing prepares people for that first time they see them in person. I about crapped myself the first time I found one in the wild. I couldn't believe my eyes. They glow!

I haven't bothered to get any this year given the fact that they were slow sellers and I didn't get much so this year I'm concentrating on pugets. I could get more though, if someone was willing to pay enough for me to break even at least. Sometimes it takes several trips and about $80 in gas to get one to three nice ones. They're only about one in 10 that I find that are that color, and only in certain part of Oregon so I wish someone would go ahead and produce some captive litters already!

I think my avatar captures the glow a bit better. Not the same snake, but you get the idea.

[CoffeeBlack]

I'm really loving concinnus. The reptile room needs some Thamnophis and I think concinnus will be the first when/if I can locate any. I've been trolling mostly concinnus and radix threads since I joined (and a little before) and I think I've nailed it down to concinnus to start. Keep the pics flowing!

[ProXimuS]

Very nice looking blue. I like the comparison next to the regular:)

[ConcinusMan]

Like this? Both snakes found at the same location too. Steve's normals are CB from WA parents.

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/4439/an002large.jpg

[ProXimuS]

And they are both concinnus?

[katach]

Awesome guy you have there. Can't wait to see what he will produce. Will you be pairing him with a blue or red?

[ConcinusMan]

And they are both concinnus?

Of course. I find normals, B&W anery's, blue anerys, bright florescent orange, hypoerythristics (yellow spots) all in the same location. It's only a very small part of Oregon where you find so many varieties. At most locations, they're all pretty much the same although they vary from location to location.

[ConcinusMan]

Awesome guy you have there. Can't wait to see what he will produce. Will you be pairing him with a blue or red?

I think he only has the one anery. Chances are if he breeds with a normal, the babies will be normal. That's the result I got. However, there is some indication that the anery's are born normal looking and fade to anery later with varying degrees of blue.

[katach]

Interesting. I think I need to get some of these myself at some point. Maybe two normals and two anery.

[ProXimuS]

I'd love to get a concinnus at some point. Now I'm not sure if I prefer the anery or the bright orange:confused:

[InsanePirateDragon]

So pretty! Loving all that black and blue.

If they weren't so bitey I'd be looking to add one of those boys to the Bachelor Strand.

Idontneedanothergarteryetidontneedanothergarteryet ...

At least until after I get back and dust off the old cracked tank that I have...

[ConcinusMan]

"bitey" ??

[InsanePirateDragon]

Yeah, I thought that Concinnus and Infernalis were the more aggressive garters, or am I getting them mixed up with the Mexican Garters again.

[ConcinusMan]

No, concinnus' have a great disposition. Wild ones even when just captured, rarely bite and they become very tame within days of interacting with them. They're great. They just get a bit viscious and like to fight and bite at feeding time. Pugets are the same way. None have attempted to bite me, and tamed right down, real quick. Well, I did get tagged today on the hand, but I was feeding them salmon. As soon as he realized his mistake, he let go right away.

[InsanePirateDragon]

Hmm, might have to add one to the list then. I think Steve just worried me with all the bites he was getting just feeding them.

[ConcinusMan]

Hmm, might have to add one to the list then. I think Steve just worried me with all the bites he was getting just feeding them.

Purely a feeding response. They will bite you then. They'll bite anything, especially if it smells like food. Steve just needs to refine his method. I rarely get bit even at feeding time. I keep the food off my hands and use hemostats. Sometimes I think he just enjoys getting bit, LoL.

[InsanePirateDragon]

Okay, that makes me feel a lot better about these guys and getting my hands on a lovely blue boy then.

[mikem]

:eek: Oh my! :eek: It's like a pickeringii and concinnus all rolled into one snake! Absolutely gorgeous!

[ConcinusMan]

Well, yeah. They are both western T. sirtalis' and they are both essentially identical on a genetic level. The only reason they look a little different is local evolutionary pressures (they have different ranges) have pushed their morphology in slightly different directions. Their behaviors and food preferences are the same since they both live in the same type of habitat and eat the same foods so the same behaviors have allowed both to survive.

[guidofatherof5]

My Sony camera captured a better photo of my male.
Then there is the female I will be pairing him up with.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tsc1.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tsc2.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tsc_female.jpg

[Steveo]

Wow. Love that blue color.

[katach]

Very pretty! Might just have to put me on the list for some of those. :)

[CoffeeBlack]

Awesome color on that guy. Very nice!

[ProXimuS]

Wow those two should have some goood lookin offspring:D

[guidofatherof5]

Wow those two should have some goood lookin offspring:D

I can only hope so.

[NickB]

The Blue Concinnus confuses me. Is it a morph or a normal?

[guidofatherof5]

The Blue Concinnus confuses me. Is it a morph or a normal?

Naturally occurring color phase.

[guidofatherof5]

What a difference separating these sexes out has made. It's probably just a numbers thing but feeding the two groups this morning was a breeze.
Very little conflict. The female are in a huge enclosure so the space is helpful at feeding time.
The males seem much more relaxed not having the monster females in there with them.

[kibakiba]

That's awesome. Ember actually had a hard time when I separated him and Snap. He didn't like living without his sister!

[NickB]

Naturally occurring color phase.

Ahh thanks!So what happens if you breed red to blue?

[guidofatherof5]

I've never bred T.S.concinnus before so I will let someone else answer that question.

[kibakiba]

Richard said red with blue makes red with bits of blue, and some will turn a little blue as it grows, I believe.

[NickB]

Richard said red with blue makes red with bits of blue, and some will turn a little blue as it grows, I believe.

Aaah I see, probably better to just stick to red - red, blue - blue matings then.

[ConcinusMan]

That's a good idea

[ConcinusMan]

The Blue Concinnus confuses me. Is it a morph or a normal?



Naturally occurring color phase.

Yeah. It is a "morph" that occurs naturally in a limited, fairly small part of Oregon. About 1 in 5 or even fewer, are found having this blue color and lacking red/orange. The rest are pretty much normal in the area.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh wow, look what I found: http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/7090-concinnusmans-garters-72.html#post216849

[guidofatherof5]

Just a couple more of my T.s.concinnus males.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/tscmale.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//500/medium/tscmale2.jpg

[-MARWOLAETH-]

They seem to be enjoying life at ranch:D

[guidofatherof5]

They are awesome snake. I love having them here. Thanks to Richard for giving me the opportunity to have them.

[ProXimuS]

I looooove that blue one:D The other guys pretty too!

[mikem]

I'm sure you've answered this before, but what bedding do you use and where do you get it?

[guidofatherof5]

I'm sure you've answered this before, but what bedding do you use and where do you get it?

Compressed aspen pellets. I live 15 minutes away from the factory so I pick it up there.
Gentle Touch Products - Products: Cat Box Filler, Pet Bedding, & Horse Bedding (http://www.gentletouchproducts.com/products.html#Anchor-Aspen-47857)
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//744/medium/aspen_pellets.jpg

[mikem]

Ah, okay.. never seen it around here. Thanks :)

[katach]

I asked my local feed store if they could get any in and they nope.

[guidofatherof5]

The owner of the product is working on a list of stores that carry it. State by State.

[guidofatherof5]

This male doesn't seem to mind the opaque phase when it comes to food.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tsp23.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Today was a tilapia day on the Ranch and my 4 concinnus girl behaved very well. No fighting or crazy stuff. Well, not much at least.
I guess it helped that they were spread out all over the enclosure.
These girls are getting big and I look forward to seeing some babies next Spring.

[ConcinusMan]

Didn't take long at all for those little babies to get really big.

[guidofatherof5]

Water and fertilizer is all it took.

[guidofatherof5]

Her is my largest female T.sirtalis concinnus (Red-spotted Garter). I think she is going to be one big girl someday. Not used to seeing such a thick head on a garter.
I did some work in their paddock the other day. Took about 4 hours to complete the job and my 4 females behaved very well. They would come out once in awhile to checkout my tools or to see if I had any food for them.
My blue female is opaque and not very happy at this time. I will get a few photos once she sheds.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/big_concinnus_girl.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

Great pic Steve!

[ConcinusMan]

Looks like her mom. You know Steve, the girl who's life you saved. I hear she's still doing just fine.

http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/1491/bertha011large.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Glad it worked out well.

[guidofatherof5]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tsc_female1.jpg

[Dan72]

Gorgeous!

[guidofatherof5]

Here are my males enjoying some pinkies.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tscmale3.jpghttp://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/tscmale4.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

Awesome sauce.

[kibakiba]

So cute! I miss my Snap and Ember.

[snake man]

Looking good.

[guidofatherof5]

It must be concinnus feeding day at the Ranch.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/feeding_day.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

Hey Steve do you have any baby pictures of your anery concinnus? Was he born looking black & white?

[guidofatherof5]

I will check. It could take awhile. They are probably in my unorganized photos group, which is large.

[ConcinusMan]

I thought I sent that one to Steve as a young adult. Nobody has any pics of blue anerys as a baby. Thats what I'm saying, I don't think they exist as babies. You would think that if they did, I would have seen one by now. Even breeding anery to anery, the one time I know it happened, (a friend in Portland produced a litter in 2010) most of the babies were born normal with a few hypoerythristics. Pretty much what I got this year.

[guidofatherof5]

Love my T.s.concinnus females. Growing so well.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus_female.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus_female2.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Apparently I don't know who he got the anery's from. I didn't even know he had both sexes. But what I do know for sure is that they were all WC by me, as adults so there is no baby pictures.

Unless there's other people catching them, breeding them, producing them, whatever, and aren't forthcoming with that. In other words, holding out.

[Invisible Snake]

That first picture is awesome. Thanks for sharing.

[guidofatherof5]

Apparently I don't know who he got the anery's from. I didn't even know he had both sexes. But what I do know for sure is that they were all WC by me, as adults so there is no baby pictures.

Unless there's other people catching them, breeding them, producing them, whatever, and aren't forthcoming with that. In other words, holding out.

I got the anery from a guy named Richard.:D She was in a group of non-eating babies that was sent to me.


I'll have to check back in photos to see if I have any baby shots.

[RedSidedSPR]

Find them!!

[ConcinusMan]

I got the anery from a guy named Richard.:D She was in a group of non-eating babies that was sent to me.


I'll have to check back in photos to see if I have any baby shots.

I don't think so. I remember sending you a young adult. I'm pretty sure all the "cull" babies I sent were clark county, WA normals. I never sent babies with anery genes. Still confused.

[guidofatherof5]

To clarify. I have never received any T.s.concinnus from anyone but you.
She does have a little red on her flanks.

[ConcinusMan]

Yes I know, but I remember sending only one young adult male anery and I definitely didn't send any babies that weren't 100% normal. If I had, you would have the answer to the question of whether or not the anery's are born normal looking or not. If you know, why are you not telling us.

I still say any anerys you got from me were already adults or close to mature. That's all I've ever sent out.

[RedSidedSPR]

.. then obviously it started out normal and turned out anery?

[guidofatherof5]

The male anery is still here and the rest were babies when sent.
To answer you quest I would have to say this one(female) was born normal looking, then changed.
I'm not sure what is going on with regards to her lineage but I'm glad she's here. She was part of the orginal group of 11 non-eaters.

[gregmonsta]

A Xerxes moment from the looks of it :rolleyes: ... from normal to green to blue ...

[ConcinusMan]

hmmm... must have been a mix up. Must have gotten an anery baby mixed in with big berthas babies.

[guidofatherof5]

Here's my male anery T.s.concinnus.
Hoping he will do some breeding this Spring.
Not the greatest photo but it was all he would allow. He just shed and the camera did a pretty good job of capturing that neon blue.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/male_anery_concinnus.jpg

[SkinnyPete]

WOW! Now that is a gorgeous boy!

[guidofatherof5]

This anery male is not what I would call a regular eater. He likes to skip a couple feeding times when the other are feeding.
Today he downed 5 small pinkies which is a good meal for him.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/anery_male_concinnus.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/anery_male_concinnus1.jpg

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm at a loss for any adaquate words to describe how awesome that snake is

[Steveo]

I'm at a loss for any adaquate words to describe how awesome that snake is

Here's one: want.

[ConcinusMan]

Can you believe that I had several like him for sale @ $50 each and after months of sluggish sales and no takers at all for that one, I gave up and sent him to Steve. And, all I could find was males, males, males. This year @$100 each, I couldn't completely fill the demand and I couldn't find anything but females.

[Steveo]

Was that last year? I was just getting into snakes but would have grabbed a few if I had known :D

[SkinnyPete]

I would LOVE to have a female with that coloration. Beautiful snake!

[SilasBannook]

Absolutely striking. The neon on that concinnus is amazing.

[RedSidedSPR]

Can you believe that I had several like him for sale @ $50 each and after months of sluggish sales and no takers at all for that one, I gave up and sent him to Steve. And, all I could find was males, males, males. This year @$100 each, I couldn't completely fill the demand and I couldn't find anything but females.

Typical.

Would really love it my guys turned out like this, would definately breed them

[ConcinusMan]

Was that last year? I was just getting into snakes but would have grabbed a few if I had known :D

I want to say yes but I don't remember that part.

[guidofatherof5]

My first attempts at breeding T.s.concinnus is under way. I put my male anery in with my group of females.
He's never been with any adult females before and he immediately started smelling these ladies.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/concinnus_breeding_2013.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

If he breeds with that clark co. normal there, I can tell you I did that once. Crossed those two localities and the result was quite surprising. The babies were just so bright and gorgeous. Different than snakes found at either location, and just stunningly beautiful (even though a few tails were less than perfect as you can see)

http://imageshack.us/a/img850/5521/000007large.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img30/6894/000003large.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img215/939/000005large.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

Very nice.

[thamneil]

My gosh are those ever bright!

[ProXimuS]

Hope all goes well with that:D

[guidofatherof5]

Checked in on the anery male to see if he was still alive or if the big girls had killed him :D
He appeared to be fine. I did notice that the anery female is in opaques phase so I'm hoping after the next shed she will breed.

[Dan72]

Good luck with that Steve, hope the young man does his job.

[guidofatherof5]

My anery female shed today but I have seen no more mating activity from my male anery with any of the ladies he has to choose from.

[ConcinusMan]

My gosh are those ever bright!

Yeah well part of that is he used flash and was probably rather close. But some of the anerys do seem to "glow" in certain light, especially outside on a cloudy day.


My anery female shed today but I have seen no more mating activity from my male anery with any of the ladies he has to choose from.

Well that's odd. I can't keep males off of the females any time they shed. Heck, sometimes I can't keep males off of males at shedding time.:rolleyes:

[thamneil]

I was referring to the snakes you posted Richard! The colours on those seem to stand out quite a bit.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh, oops. Yeah, strange unexpected things can happen when you cross localities. You never know how the gene pools are going to "react" when bred together particularly when the two parents were from very different gene pools separated by many miles. I think I might try that again soon with those two localities but not going to happen this year. Maybe next year.

Those were some great looking babies. They looked that bright in person too, not just a photo effect. Too bad she only had 7. Would like to have had more of those.

[guidofatherof5]

Well that's odd. I can't keep males off of the females any time they shed. Heck, sometimes I can't keep males off of males at shedding time.:rolleyes:

It should also be said that the deed could have been done before or after I left the snake room.

[ConcinusMan]

It should also be said that the deed could have been done before or after I left the snake room.

It's easy to tell. He would have been all laid back and relaxed, having a cigarette.:p

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_CGUCQICHXhc/S3HRmM-wEcI/AAAAAAAADEk/Ku0RQHezcxo/s800/po+the+smoking+snake.jpg

[-MARWOLAETH-]

Am I going mad...or did I just see a beauty snake smoking a fag?!

[ConcinusMan]

Looks more like someone stuffed it in his mouth or enticed him to bite it.;)

[guidofatherof5]

Note to self:

Never try and block one concinnus from attempting to steal food from another. This is the thanks I get. She did not release without a fight. She tried to drag my arm into her enclosure by anchoring herself to a rock and pulling hard. All this did was sink the teeth in deeper.
A little pressure up under her nose made her release.
Crazy girl.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/tsc3.jpg

[ProXimuS]

She was determined! :p Very pretty girl too.

[chris-uk]

Note to self:

Never try and block one concinnus from attempting to steal food from another.

Better your finger than another scrub's head. I'd put my hand between two of mine any time, although for me it would most likely be last June's infernalis so they aren't going to do too much damage. :)

[Greg'sGarters]

I use my palm, I found out that they are less likely to bite the palm because they don't have a solid target to anchor onto.

[Invisible Snake]

Did the bite draw any blood? She's big, how old is she?

[guidofatherof5]

Yes but not much. Not sure of her length or weight at this point. They came to me in the Fall of 2010.
They are big beautiful girls. Glad they are on the Ranch.

[thamneil]

Very big, good looking girl! Looks like a hefty feeding response.

[ConcinusMan]

She's big, how old is she?

CB Late July 2010. Clark co. WA locality and yes, they get huge. 3ft + females are everywhere at that location. It's actually kind of unusual to find any that are less than 2.5 feet there, unless they're males.

Here's their mom. At last measurement she was 44 inches, (1.1 meters) as measured by the snake measuring tool software. She could down 2 adult mice in a sitting, no problem.

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2742/gedc1428.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/6233/sarah006large.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img228/7492/bertha015large.jpg

It was fun bringing her out to show people. When they would see how big she is they're like "Holy ****!, that's a garter snake?!!!!":eek:

[guidofatherof5]

These girls were looking for food. Shyblue was the only snake with any and the rest of the girls weren't happy.
http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/hungry_girls.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/blue_tsc.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

You have 2 snakes named Shyblue? o.O

[ProXimuS]

No, Shy, the ribbon, is in with the large concinnus females now :)

[ConcinusMan]

I think people get confused because, due to "a mix up at the nursery" one of the "normals" I sent turned blue/anery later and that one is in the group too. That one was definitely not from the same litter as the rest. That one had a blue mom but looked normal as a baby. Completely different genetics and locality from the red ones in the pics.

[guidofatherof5]

Here we have a handsome male T.s.concinnus sporting his new shed toupee. It's all the rage with the in crowd.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/shed_club.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

I hope I'm not jumping the gun on this but this female is starting to get wide and I do see some scale spread on her. She was with a male 40 days ago.
These would be the first T. s. concinnus (Red-spotted garter snake) born on the Ranch. The head in the second photo isn't the suspected gravid female.
Richard, what do you think?

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/prego_tsc1.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/prego_tsc.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

Hard to tell. They start packing on weight almost immediately after mating if it was successful so after a mating takes place I start weighing. A sharp and steady weight gain starting about a week after mating is the only reliable way to tell. Visually, they don't really start showing until late stage. If she's gravid and starting to show by scale spread then she likely only has 20-30 days to go. If she goes into shed soon and that scale spread continues I'd say that's a pretty good indication. I would weigh her now on an empty stomach and do the same in about a week. Compare the weights and you will see significant and sharp weight gain if she's gravid.

You've seen enough to know Steve. If you have a hunch that she's gravid then she most likely is. The week's spread weight comparison should confirm it.

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks.

[guidofatherof5]

No food weight 213g. She is plump in the lower 2/3rd of her body and off food.
I'm calling her gravid and think she should deliver in the next 20 days, possibly sooner.
Come on baby scrubs get here.

[guidofatherof5]

Hungry is as hungry does. The smell of pinkies drive these girl crazy.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/bite15.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/bite22.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

So it's true. Even the most humble snake keepers are sadists whether they're aware of it or not.

That's sick Steve. Just sick! :p

With a little adjustment to my feeding methods and working with them for a while I've managed to completely avoid incidents like this the past few years. Used to be routine though. Having antiseptic wipes ready at each feeding is now a thing of the past.

[ConcinusMan]

No food weight 213g.

213 holy crud. Their mom (who is over 3.5 feet and heavy-bodied) weighed just 190 grams when not gravid. I think last time she got up to 225 but she only had 7 big babies and a few slugs.

You'll know if she's close they tend to have an off-schedule shed in the last 30 days of gestation and/or suddenly stop eating 1-3 weeks prior to giving birth.

If she bred with a sibling or same locality don't be surprised if you get a few "fitchi phase" or laterally striped ones in the litter (which look very much like fitchii) in addition to this phenotype. Population-wise and even within same litters they are dimorphic and the lateral striped adults tend to have a nice blue-green color to the lateral stripes.

http://imageshack.us/a/img834/42/snakes013large.jpg

[Foxrun402]

Dang Steve.... got yah pretty good.. back of the jaw even lol... Maybe she was thinking "ooooomg a night-crawler that smells like a pinky!"

[guidofatherof5]

You can see how she was clamping down, what you can't see was her body wrapped around a rock. She was pulling very hard.
I had to push my hand further into her mouth to get the teeth released. She's a good girl. They are wonderful to visit with but when pinkies are involved they turn savage.:D

[guidofatherof5]

She's been moved to a birthing enclosure and isn't happy about it.

[chris-uk]

Nice bite. :) The last one I picked up was from a 40g infernalis (not one to boast about), but the one before that was from Laccrimosa at somewhere between 105-110cm and around 380g... she's a big girl (I think she's a bit overweight, which comes from her eating everything and some of my others eating badly over the winter, meaning there were lots of leftovers... which now go in the bin instead of Lacci).

Look forward to seeing babies from your girl soon.

[Selkielass]

I think its the time of year.
Abby has started going food crazy. Christmas is soon to be moved to new quarters as Abby tossed him against the glass and bit him on the nose over food. Pregnant gals don't share apparently.

[guidofatherof5]

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/wide_load.jpg

[Invisible Snake]

Preggers! Congrats Steve!

[ConcinusMan]

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/wide_load.jpg

No doubt about that. My babies are having babies already! :) She's due any day now, for sure!

[guidofatherof5]

Still on scrub watch. She's off food but hasn't gotten restless yet. I spent some time rubbing her laterals today. She was relaxed during this time and didn't move.
She's a good girl and I hope her first litter will be healthy.

[guidofatherof5]

She's restless and rearranging the furniture.:D She pushed all the substrate off the heat tape area.
If she's anything like a radix she should pop in the next 36 hours.

[ConcinusMan]

Oh, I don't know, I've had them start that 5-6 days in advance. Watch for the downward load shift. When that happens you got 1-36 hours to go. I wonder if she bred with the same Clark Co. WA locality/sibling. If so the babies will look just like her with perhaps some laterally striped babies. But when bred to snakes from the Oregon location they came out different than mom and absolutely stunning. Like this:

http://imageshack.us/a/img846/939/000005large.jpg

Very cool Steve. Can't wait to see what your first concinnus litter looks like!

[guidofatherof5]

And climbing.:D

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/climbing_concinnus.jpg (http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/showphoto.php?photo=11794&title=climbing-concinnus&cat=747)

[ConcinusMan]

...and everything else except sitting still. :rolleyes: Can't. Sit. Still...

Last herping trip I made I saw a huge female Wayyy up in a tree. Like 15 feet off the ground. Looking for nestling birds no doubt.

[guidofatherof5]

Looks like she delivered in 24 hours instead of 36 hours. I'll give her another day of rest then she can go back with her group.

[ConcinusMan]

So how long does a grandpa have to wait to see pics? :mad:

I had to wait a couple of years before I saw my real grandchild so you're walking on thin ice here Steve.:p

OK found the thread. You're off the hook... for now

http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/12416-first-t-s-concinnus-born-ranch.html

[guidofatherof5]

It looks like the thought of breeding my anery male and anery female are gone for the year.
Today, I saw my anery female passing jellies.

[Sonya610]

http://imageshack.us/a/img560/6233/sarah006large.jpg

Beautiful LARGE Concinnus and also a beautiful baby human. Good genes all around.

[Sonya610]

They are wonderful to visit with but when pinkies are involved they turn savage.:D

Which is why I am sending my 2 year old Concinnus female to you tomorrow! Yes....savage little eaters. I prefer savage dogs that eat TRESPASSERS and cuddle with their humans!

Hope you will be pleased with her and I know you will take good care of her!

[guidofatherof5]

Looking forward to having her on the Ranch. She is going to be a great addition to the concinnus group I have.(after she's out of quarantine;))

[Sonya610]

Looking forward to having her on the Ranch. She is going to be a great addition to the concinnus group I have.(after she's out of quarantine;))

She will likely love quarantine...she won't have to bite her cage mates or human when being fed!

[guidofatherof5]

This is all true :D

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/plan.jpg

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/hurt_you.jpg

[guidofatherof5]

The girls got a bath today while I cleaned their enclosure. I made use of some clay piping I picked up awhile back. They seem to enjoy the new digs. I also have converted the enclosure to spiral compact florescent bulbs. Much cheaper then the tube florescent bulbs I've been using. I had to remove the metal top of the enclosure and cut out some large hole to install the bulbs. While I did that the girl never venture up at all. It was a perfect time for an explore but none of them felt the need. They are good girls.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/t_s_c_enclosure.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data/747/medium/hurt_you.jpg

What's that ring around the eye called again?

I can't help wondering if it's caused by environmental factors because I've never had snakes grow up to have that. I've seen it develop when they are very old but all of Steve's snakes seem to have it even if they are young. Weird.

[guidofatherof5]

Not sure what the issue could be. Humidity is 53%.

[NickB]

I used to have a Texas Ratsnake with a ring around it's eye, it seemed to develop as it got older as it first appeared when the snake was a juvenile.

[ConcinusMan]

Not sure what the issue could be. Humidity is 53%.

Yeah, nor do I. Not that it really is an issue. Just an observation is all. Maybe they're just so well taken care of that they grow so fast the eyeball can't keep up. :p

[BUSHSNAKE]

Yeah, nor do I. Not that it really is an issue. Just an observation is all. Maybe they're just so well taken care of that they grow so fast the eyeball can't keep up. :pive notived the ring thing myself, I never see it on a wild or recently caught garter snake. I think its a moisture thing but who knows.

[ConcinusMan]

ive notived the ring thing myself, I never see it on a wild or recently caught garter snake.

Same here and none of mine have it regardless of how long I've had them:confused:.

[guidofatherof5]

Has hell frozen over? Can pigs fly now? Is there truth in media all the sudden?
Let me explain. Tonight, was a food night for all the snakes but my male T. s. concinnus group was last on the list. I thawed out a bunch of pinkies and prepared for battle. I approached the paddock and opened the front door. My 5 males came out of the hides and headed in my direction. I was ready to take a few bites as I rifled out the pinkies(not fast enough for their liking) My blood is usually spilled and numerous fights have to be quelled.
Instead of that I had 5 gentlemen snakes in front of me. Each snake waiting its turn to get a pinky. No one tried to steal a pinky after finishing theirs, they simply came back to me for another one. There was no tail whipping or musk flinging and all of my blood stayed where it should be.
After everyone was fed I closed the door and walked away shaking my head. They were probably laughing their little vents off at me.:D

[rickymar81]

That to funny....

[slipknot711]

hahaha! Steve you are just too funny. its a joy to read everything you write.

[Sonya610]

So how is our girl doing?

[guidofatherof5]

So how is our girl doing?

Ny is doing very well. Such a good eater.

[guidofatherof5]

My blue male smelled pinkies before I ever got to there enclosure.

http://www.thamnophis.com/thamphotos/data//747/medium/blue_male.jpg