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[GARTERKID]

Hi everyone.My name is john im new here and i just recently within the past 8 months sterted collectimg garters.They are fasinating byfar my faviorite snakes hers some of my collection.
female fl blue
female melanistic
2010 litter of melanistic
female oregon redspotted
unknown proven female i got this girl from a friend an dshe was gravid she dropped 18 just like her and 2 mels.
I look forward to being a member on tyhis site i will post more pics.
thanks
john perkins

[guidofatherof5]

Thanks for posting the photos.
You've got a good looking group.

[Hollis_Steed]

Welcome John! Great looking snakes! You must be doin' somethng right!

[drache]

welcome to the forum
nice group of snakes

[Jeff B]

Welcome John, that a nice litter of melanistic you have! Have you emailed me before your name sounds very familiar?

[kibakiba]

Those are some beautiful garters! Welcome to the forum!

[Spankenstyne]

Welcome to the forum. Nice collection

[ConcinusMan]

Welcome. Please stick around.

Wow, what a way to start on the forum you show-off.:p Way cool garters.

I must say one thing though, don't take it wrong, but I don't see any of those snakes being a Oregon red-spotted. If you're referring to the snake in the second pic, I wouldn't say that's a concinnus, at least, not a pure one. Looks rather muddy. Oregon Red-spotted garters are just that. They have red (or orange) spots on a dark background unless they are anerythristic, then it's whitish or pale blue spots. That one has red sides with dark spots. That never happens with true oregon red spotted garters.That snake looks closer to a T. elegans or a T.s. fitchii (valley garter) than an oregon red-spot. "Just sayin":D

Still, I have to say, awesome garters you have there.

[GARTERKID]

thankyou to all.
Yes jeff i have emailed you before.
I was told it was a O red spot when i purchased her of of fauna but i was also told it was a male and that was wrong so im not surprised but like i said im new to garters so thanks for clearing that up for me.
I have many many 2010 babies im still trying to identify i will post pics soon i hope someone can help me.
I so glad i found this forum garters are my fav and im loving this site.
john

[ConcinusMan]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.

http://www.wildherps.com/images/herps/standard/015713_Valley_gartersnake.jpg

[Hollis_Steed]

Can we get bigger picture? the more I look at it, the more it looks like a valley garter but it's hard to tell. You know, the two can look very similar and their ranges are not far apart. Just 30 miles or so east of my location, you leave concinnus territory and run into T.s. fitchii's that look a lot like T.s. concinnus. Yours wouldn't be the first fitchii to be sold as a concinnus, that's for sure. I've even suspected some of them to by hybrids between the two.

T.s. fitchii in WA look like this, but again, it's red spots on a dark background. A lot of inexperienced people misrepresent or misidentify these as oregon red spotted garters, simply because they find them in Oregon.

http://www.wildherps.com/images/herps/standard/015713_Valley_gartersnake.jpg
Sure looks alot like my T.s.fitchii

[GARTERKID]

Thanks for the info it is really hard to tell the diffrence and like i said im new to garters can you show me a pic of a oregon red spotted.SHe is an awesome snake very nice and calm when handled eats aggresivly on anything.

[guidofatherof5]

She is a great looking girl.

[ConcinusMan]

I agree. Awesome snake.


Thanks for the info it is really hard to tell the diffrence and like i said im new to garters can you show me a pic of a oregon red spotted.SHe is an awesome snake very nice and calm when handled eats aggresivly on anything.
Here's a few Oregon red-spotted garter pics that I would say are very "typical"

Normal next to a anerythristic:
(photo by shannon culp - asnakelovinbabe)

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/7180/5791039.jpg

A typical large (3.2 foot) female of mine:

http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/7494/dscn0475medium.jpg

An uncommon 3 striped morph next to a anerythristic (two of my snakes)
http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/1396/dscn0596largec.jpg

[ConcinusMan]

The head coloring varies. Some heads are dark, some have very bright orange heads, depending on the area of their origin.

http://www.gartersnake.co.uk/xconcin3.jpg

http://www.californiaherps.com/noncal/northwest/nwsnakes/images/tsconcinnusor9062.jpg

And of course, there's the rare but lovely blue anerythristic girl I have:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/272/dscn0606large.jpg

By far, the orange single stripe, with black head, or orange head is the most common.

[GARTERKID]

Coll i do see a difference.
Thanks for the help.
john

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, some people just assume, hey, it's a garter snake, it has red on it's sides, I found it in Oregon, must be an Oregon Red Spot...

Thing is, Oregon red spots do not occur east of the cascade mountains. They are found mostly in NW Oregon from Salem northward (Willamette Valley) to Portland, in wet habitats, never far from water. Valley garters (Thamnophis sirtalis fitchii) can be found on the east side, and much farther south than red spots and have a much larger range in oregon than concinnus do.

[Jlkelly88]

I love the pictures. Welcome. =)